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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 02:13 am
Would a person actually know that they were in Hell? Not a trick question, just a logical question.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 04:16 am
I fail to see how logic applies to a discussion of a "place" which is described by religious doctrine, and for the existence of which there is no certainty.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 05:23 am
@Setanta,
Heres the coordinates for Hell. Put this into your GPS and plot the route,
42.4347° N, 83.9850° W
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 05:30 am
Somebody posted the same claim yesterday, but i think they had different coordinates. I don't use no steenking GPS . . . i can get lost very easily with my native resources, thank you.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 05:42 am
@Setanta,
I just Googled Hell Mich and that's what I got. Probably a bunch of tates hve a HELL. Id think NM or Nevada or Arizona would line up to have a HELL in their state. Louisiana is out because they already have HIGH WATER
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 05:47 am
I believe Texas has a Hell, but that's just redundant.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 05:50 am
@Setanta,
****, I forgot about HEll Creek Montana. Its where dinosaurs live in the rocks.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 05:57 am
We should try to stay on topic. Yes, i believe people would know they were in Hell--they'd see the sign as they drove into town. Passengers might not notice, but that's their look-out.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 06:05 am
@Setanta,
Something from Alighieri would seem appropriate under the town name.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 06:29 am
You mean as in "Abandon hope, etc." . . . yeah, that would be classy.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 06:38 am
@Setanta,
In flaming letters . The whole stanza.

"GO STRAIT TO HELL AND STAY THE WEEKEND"==On a Dayz Inn
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mikeymojo
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 09:58 am
@Setanta,
Ok, since we are making assumptions now, let's assume Hell does exist. Would a person actually KNOW that they were in Hell? In other words would God's concept of Hell be different than Man's concept of Hell? It's a more logical question than asking if reality is real, which is a ridiculous question to me, yet one that people argue about all the time.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 10:05 am
@mikeymojo,
This is about as well reasoned as'
"iS IT TRUE that If you die in the middle of the night,you wont know about it until the next morning?"
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 10:08 am
@mikeymojo,
So you are assuming that Hell exists, that there is a God, that this petty, childish and vicious god will punish people for some minor infractions of doctrinal purity by condemning them to Hell for eternity--those a just a few of the assumptions implicit in your position. Explain to me again where logic enters into this question.
rosborne979
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 10:09 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

****, I forgot about HEll Creek Montana. Its where dinosaurs live in the rocks.

Don't you mean leviathans lived in the rocks?
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mikeymojo
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 11:01 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
m that Hell exists, that there is a God, that this petty, childish and vicious god will punish people for some minor infractions of doctrinal purity by condemning them to Hell for eternity--those a just a few of the assumptions implicit in your position. Explain to me again where logic enters into this question.

Yes, in this topic Hell and God are assumed to exist. You also described Man's concept of Hell, which is my point. Is it not more punishment not KNOWING one is in Hell thus bringing hope, which will never be fulfilled, no matter how much one tries? To me, IF Hell is real, it's nothing like Man's concept of Hell as told in religious doctrine. Would you agree to that?
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 11:22 am
@mikeymojo,
No, i wouldn't. I have no reason to agree that such a place as Hell exists, in the first place. All we know of god, if there is a god, is what is embodied in the religious doctrines of organized religions. As far as i know, only western religious traditions have a concept of Hell. There very idea that a god would punish someone for eternity--whether or not they "know" they're in Hell--especially for something as paltry as doctrinal error, is offensive and does not comport with the notion of an omniscient, omnipotent god; the more so if that god is said to be a loving god.
neologist
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 07:01 pm
@mikeymojo,
You have to get there by the River Styx. It's in New Jersey. Frank runs the ferry on Thursdays. Cheap fare.
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Jensi
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 08:00 pm
@mikeymojo,
Lol we'll assuming hell is real then maybe since not knowing will defeat the purpose....what if you are not born in America lets say china will you go to hell for believing in the wrong god?
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 23 Nov, 2013 08:06 pm
@Setanta,
Infinite punishment not consistent with finite error. . . . .How come you understand this so well and my fellow thumpers do not?
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