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Wed 13 Nov, 2013 02:40 pm
I watched a very interesting film the other day, it explained how there is evidence that the ancient Egyptians had a figure called Horus which follows same patterns that Jesus had.....Same reported all throughout time in different parts of the word. Born Dec 25 of a virgin, three stars. It's long winded but really it's related to the Sun they worshipped the sun. So is that a coincidence or what ?Watch zetgeist 2007 the movie on YouTube. Explains so many thing in a way that makes sense.
@Ragman,
Is that a bridge over troubled waters?
@monicamp,
If I understand your post correctly and I'm not exactly sure I do, the virgin birth story plagiarized by Christianity and its followers is in fact a very common element in many pagan rituals predating Christianity.
And no. I don't plan on watching Zeitgeist, the Direct to DVD movie. Thanks for asking.
@coldjoint,
You can always play your semantics silly game, you lying, predatory charlatan.
@coldjoint,
You are as contemptible as a leech.
On a good day you're a halfwit..
@coldjoint,
I will always resist any mendacious ideology as yours..
@coldjoint,
I can recognize an ideology that is unethical, devious, revisionist, narrow, manipulative and dogmatic as yours..
@coldjoint,
You are the talking proof that you don't have to be sentient to survive..
Just for something different, here's a comment about the topic of the thread. There is no unambiguous evidence that the Yeshua, who might have been a rabbi, who probably didn't say nearly all the things attributed to him, and who ended by being called Jesus in many nations--no unambiguous evidence that such a person ever existed. At the same time, i personally rate the possibility at about 50-50. The Dude may have existed, or what we have may be a character is an extended parable by the Essenes. Either way, what mattes is not the truth about whether the boy ever existed, but that billions of people have believed and presently believe that he did.
There is no unambiguous eye-witness testimony for him, despite the nonsense that Christians peddle on the subject. There is no copy of the so-called gospels which is any older than the early fourth century--more than three hundred years after he was born, if he ever did exist. It should not be amazing, though, that popular myths and religious stories attached to the legend which is all we have of the man. This is common throughout the world, although the religious adherents almost never admit it, and often actively deny it. The flood story and several of the aspects of the Pentateuch were lifted wholesale from the Gilgamesh Epic and other popular stories current in Babylon at the time of the Babylonian captivity, including, significantly, many of the harsh dicta found in the law in the Pentateuch. Evidence from Jewish sources is that the Pentateuch was heavily revised with the return of some of the exiles after the conquest of Babylonia by the Persian King Cyrus. (It is neither true that all the Hebrews were deported to Babylon, nor that their descendants returned in a body after Cyrus' conquest.)
That the story of Jesus would be similarly embellished, especially to increase its popularity with a target audience should not be a surprise, nor should it be dismissed out of hand. What one should approach with caution is the significance of the larding on of popular myth. Modern Christians believe what they want to believe, just as, i suspect, Christians did in the first century of the modern era, even before they were called Christians.
@monicamp,
monicamp wrote:I watched a very interesting film the other day, it explained how there is evidence that the ancient Egyptians had a figure called Horus which follows same patterns that Jesus had.....Same reported all throughout time in different parts of the word. Born Dec 25 of a virgin, three stars. It's long winded but really it's related to the Sun they worshipped the sun. So is that a coincidence or what ?Watch zetgeist 2007 the movie on YouTube. Explains so many thing in a way that makes sense.
Yes, it does explain a lot. There were many mythological figures before Jesus' time that carried almost identical characteristics. It's pretty obvious in light of all this that the Jesus Mythology was invented to latch onto those pre-existing mythologies.
@monicamp,
monicamp wrote: So is that a coincidence or what ?
No, it's not a coincidence. Classical antiquity abounds with myths about superheroes, born around the winter solstice to divine fathers and human virgins, who performed miracles, spread some kind of gospel, gathered a cult following, eventually got themselves executed, after which their cult survived them. Horus in Egypt is one figure that fits the pattern; Mithras in Persia would be another. Jesus of Nazareth was just another such figure typecast into this superhero role.