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Was Muhammad a Pedophile?

 
 
Wed 30 Oct, 2013 10:51 am
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Some Muslims are so embarrassed by their prophet’s marriage to a prepubescent girl that they are attempting to rewrite history, claiming that, contrary to all available sources, Aisha must have been much older than history demands. Other Muslims appeal to moral relativism, suggesting that, while sex with young girls may be wrong today, it wasn’t wrong in seventh-century Arabia. Still other Muslims try to offer morally sufficient reasons for their prophet to marry Aisha (i.e., some good state of affairs that could only be attained through Muhammad’s relationship with Aisha).

Since pedophilia is one of the most serious charges that can be leveled against a person, the term “pedophile” should not be used lightly. With that said, let us carefully examine Muhammad’s relationship with Aisha, recalling the Western principle that a man is innocent until proven guilty.


http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2013/10/was-muhammad-pedophile.html
 
coldjoint
 
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Wed 30 Oct, 2013 11:48 am
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Ishaq:233 "Allah's Apostle: the Lord of the Muslims, Leader of the Allah Fearing, Messenger of the Lord of the Worlds, the Peerless and Unequalled."


Quote:
BukhariV7B63N1891 "Indeed in the Apostle of Allah you have a good example to follow."


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Qur'an 94:4 "We have exalted your fame, raising high the esteem in which you are held."


The scripture of Islam clearly puts Muhammed out there as a role model.
There are still countless child marriages. And the other qualities, to be emulated, of Muhammed assure Islam will produce monsters the same way Ford churns out cars.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 31 Oct, 2013 01:58 pm
@coldjoint,
Do you think that people in the Medieval Age were all paedophiles? The average age of woman who got married was 12, that of a boy 14 ... but certainly you are aware that a couple of girls became wives of kings and princess at the age of eight and nine as well. (Besides that, they were engaged even at a younger age - consensus facit matrimonium.)
coldjoint
 
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Thu 31 Oct, 2013 02:00 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Do you think that people in the Medieval Age were all paedophiles?

Do you think they all started a religion and put themselves up as role models?
SomeGuy42
 
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Thu 31 Oct, 2013 02:06 pm
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An Introduction to Propaganda
(C) 1999, William A. Levinson



Reference: Linebarger, Paul Myron Anthony. 1954. Psychological Warfare, Combat Forces Press, Washington


Paul Myron Anthony Linebarger (1913-1966) is better known as the science fiction author Cordwainer Smith. Linebarger was an eminent Sinologist, and was the godson of Sun Yat Sen.


Definition: What is Propaganda?
Types of Propaganda: White, Grey, and Black
Effective Propaganda
Attack the Enemy Leaders
Mistakes in Propaganda
What is Propaganda?
The word "propaganda" has some negative associations; people often associate it with dishonesty and lies. The working definition is, however:


"Propaganda consists of the planned use of any form of public or mass-produced communication designed to affect the minds and emotions of a given group for a specific purpose, whether military, economic, or political."

Linebarger, Paul Myron Anthony. 1954. Psychological Warfare, 1954, Combat Forces Press, Washington (p. 39)

"Propaganda consists of the planned use of any form of communication designed to affect the minds, emotions, and action of a given group for a specific purpose." (page 39)

White, Grey, and Black Propaganda
From Psychological Warfare, page 44


White propaganda is issued from an acknowledged source... This type of propaganda is associated with overt psychological operations.
Grey propaganda does not clearly identify any source.
Black propaganda purports to emanate from a source other than the true one. This type of propaganda is associated with covert psychological operations.
Example of Black Propaganda
Guard Against Venereal Diseases

Lately there has been a great increase in the number of venereal diseases among our officers and men owing to prolific contacts with Filipino women of dubious character.
Due to hard times and stricken conditions brought about by the Japanese occupation of the islands, Filipino women are willing to offer themselves for a small amount of foodstuffs. It is advisable in such cases to take full protective measures by use of condoms, protective medicines, etc.; better still to hold intercourse only with wives, virgins, or women of respective [sic] character.
Furthermore, in view of the increase in pro-American leanings, many Filipino women are more than willing to offer themselves to American soldiers, and due to the fact that Filipinos have no knowledge of hygiene, disease carriers are rampant and due care must be taken.

U.S. Army


(Source: Psychological Warfare, page 123). Now, do you think this was an anti-VD leaflet that was given to American troops? It was actually dropped on Filipinos by the Japanese! The Japanese propagandists wanted Filipinos to believe that the United States was the origin of this derogatory material, thereby reducing cooperation with the United States.

Effective Propaganda
The best propaganda often drives a wedge between the other side's leaders and its rank-and-file members. The effectiveness of such propaganda depends on the enemy leaders' conduct.


Desertion Leaflet from Bunker Hill (Linebarger, p. 21) Prospect Hill [where the British officers were quartered?]

Seven Dollars a month
Fresh Provisions, and in Plenty
Health
Freedom, Ease, Affluence and a good Farm
Bunker Hill

Three Pence a Day
Rotten Salt Pork
The Scurvy
Slavery, Beggary and Want


This leaflet does not indicate its source, so it is grey propaganda (see definition below). "Artful use was made of the sharp class distinctions then existing between British officers and enlisted men; fear was exploited as an aid to persuasion; the language was pointed." Linebarger calls this "a classic example of how to do good field propaganda." A similar pro-Japanese propaganda leaflet from the Second World War (India theatre) shows an English family enjoying a lavish meal while Hindus starve in the streets.

A Nazi leaflet, "The Girl You Left Behind" shows an American soldier's girlfriend being courted, and eventually seduced, by Jewish war profiteer "Sam Levy." The soldier eventually comes home without a leg to find his girl in a fur coat and in the possession of the Jew. "Sam has no scruples about getting a bit intimate with Joan. And why should he have any? Tall and handsome Bob Harrison, Joan's fiancé, is on the front, thousands of miles away, fighting for guys like Sam Levy." (Linebarger, pp. 138-139) The effectiveness of this leaflet's anti-Semitism among American GIs might have been dampened by the presence of Jewish buddies at the front ("The Jewish guy in my outfit is roughing it out here with the rest of us"), but it could still have promoted the idea that certain privileged individuals could avoid military service and profit from the war. The United States was certainly more vulnerable to the latter attack during the Vietnam War, when civilians at home did not even have to endure rationing as they did during the Second World War.

Effective First World War propaganda would have shown generals living in comfortable chateaux (they did!) while they ordered their troops into senseless battles. The cartoon of an enemy general dining on an expensive meal a comfortable manor while his soldiers lived in a cold and wet trench should have been obvious to the propagandists (if their own generals weren't doing the same thing.) Such propaganda follows Sun Tzu's advice to foment divisions between leaders and followers.


Sample "desertion leaflet," gun control issue Leaders of the Gun Control Movement: Dianne Feinstein, Ted Kennedy, various Hollywood celebrities

Gun permits issued to the elite few, the lords of the manor (e.g. Feinstein)
Armed bodyguards (e.g. Kennedy)
Protected, gated communities and expensive security systems
Speaking honorariums, publicity, and votes
The Common Citizen who Supports Gun Control

Not entitled to police protection (according to various court rulings)
Defenseless against violent criminals
Entitled only to give his or her money and vote to the antigun movement's leaders


Attack the Enemy Leaders
"In estimating the propaganda situation, the vulnerability of the leaders to personal attack is one of the major elements. Properly handled, it can be of real value." (p. 157) Linebarger points out that George Washington was a major asset during the American Revolution because his personal character could not be attacked effectively. Members of the Continental Congress were, however, vulnerable to British propaganda. American propagandists could, meanwhile, attack King George III and many members of his Cabinet as "boors, fuddy-duddies, too-little-and-too-laters, and conspicuous nincompoops."

A Nazi leaflet showed Franklin Roosevelt as the Grim Reaper, who was scything down American soldiers while saying, "I assure you again and again that no American boys will be sacrificed on foreign battlefields" (quoted from Roosevelt, 10/31/1940). The basic idea was correct, but the leaflet's effectiveness must have been reduced by the fact that the Nazis' ally Japan attacked us, and then Hitler declared war on us.

Class differences, especially those between the privileged elite (see examples above) and the rank-and-file, can often be exploited.

Mistakes in Propaganda
Do not direct propaganda against the opposing side's rank-and-file. They are the people whom you want to persuade to cease resistance, malinger, desert, mutiny, or even change sides.
"Sending the Japanese cartoons of themselves, mocking the German language, calling Italians by familiar but inelegant names- such communications cropped up during the [Second World] war. The senders got a lot of fun out of the message but the purpose was unintelligently considered. The actual effect was to annoy the enemy, stiffening his will to resist." (Linebarger, p. 40. Emphasis is mine)
"Then go after the Propaganda Man [hypothetical listener on the other side] yourself. He is your friend. You are his friend. The only enemy is the enemy Leader (or generals, or emperor, or capitalists, or 'They')." (Linebarger, p. 154) The rank-and-file member of the opposing side is not a villain, he is a victim. His leader or boss is exploiting him. The opposing leader is not only your enemy, but your listener's enemy as well.
"For psychological warfare purposes, it is useful to define the enemy as: (1) the ruler, (2) or the ruling group, (3) or unspecified manipulators, (4) or any definite minority. It is thoroughly unsound to define the enemy too widely." (p. 51) The rank-and-file member of the opposing side is not "the enemy." He or she is a victim of the enemies suggested by Linebarger: his/her ruler, ruling group, etc. "The sound psychological warfare operator will try to get enemy troops to believing that the enemy is not themselves but somebody else- the King, the Fuhrer, the elite troops, the capitalists. ... 'We're not fighting you. We are fighting the So-and-so's who are misleading you.'"
Antigun cartoonist Benson's depiction of a beer-swilling, beer-bellied, unkempt, apparently uneducated "NRA member," while in the same category as the Nazis' depiction of Jews with exaggerated Semitic features, probably backfired by antagonizing every National Rifle Association member who saw it, along with many other responsible firearm owners.
"Hate" propaganda must be directed only against the enemy leaders.
http://www.stentorian.com/propagan.html
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 31 Oct, 2013 02:08 pm
@coldjoint,
Many did ... well, I mean, you're certainly aware what roles queens and kings had had.

They didn't have "to start" a new religion: it was the dogma of their religion which allowed that.
coldjoint
 
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Thu 31 Oct, 2013 02:27 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The fact is Muhammed was a pedophile and traditions of "thighing" babies as young as 2 to still are practiced just as Muhammed did.

This is case specific.
maxdancona
 
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Thu 31 Oct, 2013 02:28 pm
@coldjoint,
ColdJoint,

Do you associate yourself with the Tea Party?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 31 Oct, 2013 02:30 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The Urbarium Prumiense from 893 but even more the Chronicon (903/4), both written by Regino of Prüm, are a treasure trove of informations!
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coldjoint
 
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Sun 3 Nov, 2013 11:09 pm
@maxdancona,
There isn't many better ideas than smaller government.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Sun 3 Nov, 2013 11:27 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
There isn't many better ideas than smaller government.
SO STIPULATED!





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Sun 3 Nov, 2013 11:29 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

The fact is Muhammed was a pedophile and traditions of "thighing" babies as young as 2 to still are practiced just as Muhammed did.

This is case specific.
Please explain n define that tradition,
if u dont mind ?





David
coldjoint
 
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Sun 3 Nov, 2013 11:47 pm
But the Tea Party hasn't anything to do with Muhammed and the monster he was.
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coldjoint
 
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Tue 5 Nov, 2013 02:46 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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Please explain n define that tradition,
if u dont mind ?


Thighing is rubbing your penis on a child until you ejaculate. Maybe tradition was not the best choice of words.
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