As Bier put it, "The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports defines a ‘violent crime’ as one of four specific offenses: murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault." By contrast, "the British definition includes all ‘crimes against the person,’ including simple assaults, all robberies, and all ‘sexual offenses,’ as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults and ‘forcible rapes.’ "
Once you know this, Bier wrote, "it becomes clear how misleading it is to compare rates of violent crime in the U.S. and the U.K. You’re simply comparing two different sets of crimes."
We thought Bier’s points were reasonable, so we tried to replicate his approach. We looked at the raw violent crime numbers for each country, using statistics for England and Wales for 2012 and for the United States for 2011, in a way that sought to compare apples to apples. (We should note that the United Kingdom includes Scotland and Northern Ireland, but the numbers in the meme appear to be based only on crime in England and Wales, which are calculated separately.)
For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.
Do you have any stats to back that up?
Keep in mind that the US and Britain classify crimes differently.
You seriously expected Oralloy to produce evidence for his polemic ? ! ? ! ?
As I recall, the UK had double our crime rate and triple our violent crime rate. That was a good 10 years ago though. I don't know how much things have changed since then.
From your article, when the crimes are about the same type, the # is still double that of the US.
You only provide evidence if you feel you have presented a polemic?
But if your data is false you don't have to present evidence to support it?
oralloy wrote:As I recall, the UK had double our crime rate and triple our violent crime rate. That was a good 10 years ago though. I don't know how much things have changed since then.
This is polemic
it is predicated on your strongly held, politically-motivated belief that guns make us safer (Ah-hahahahahahahahahahahaha) and that nations which practice gun control are more crime-ridden.
One of the telling points about polemic is that it is not concerned with evidence or facts, but rather with "right-thinking" in the opinion of the one employing polemics. That's you--you just throw sh*t like this out there without substantiating it. Parados has, at least, provided a basis for a claim that it is not true that the crime rate is higher in the UK than in the US. You've done nothing but make yet another ipse dixit claim, unsupported, and conditioned by your extremist, right-wing political point of view.
I'm more likely to get assaulted in the UK then I am here in the US.