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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 11:28 am
if it were to turn out that the existence and content of our deepest moral beliefs is generated by nature and nature turns out to be run by blind mutation and blind natural selection, would that fact alone undermine your moral beliefs?
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 12:26 pm
@mwurgler,
Most assuredly it would, MW, though few of us are able to escape
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Cipherius
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 01:19 pm
@mwurgler,
Morality, at least to me, is a mutation in Humans. It seems like we are the only animals unwilling to kill when necessary. Morality seems like a weakness. A weakness gained from generations of stagnation of the Human race. Just my two cents.
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 01:29 pm
@mwurgler,
mwurgler wrote:

if it were to turn out that the existence and content of our deepest moral beliefs is generated by nature and nature turns out to be run by blind mutation and blind natural selection, would that fact alone undermine your moral beliefs?


No.
Cipherius
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 01:35 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Very simple reply. If only philosophy could be conveyed through such simple terms.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 01:36 pm
@Cipherius,
Oh, but it can. As the Bard said, brevity is the soul of wit.
Cipherius
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 01:40 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Interesting point. I'm sure my friend Logicus would agree as well. Maybe. I agree with you at least. Why does philosophy need to have such long and arduous arguments and eloquence, when all it needs is to get to the point. Simple, and blunt.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 01:44 pm
@Cipherius,
Cipherius wrote:

Interesting point. I'm sure my friend Logicus would agree as well. Maybe. I agree with you at least. Why does philosophy need to have such long and arduous arguments and eloquence, when all it needs is to get to the point. Simple, and blunt.


Because if it did that, it would put thousands upon thousands of PhD candidates out of business. Laughing
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 01:59 pm
@mwurgler,
Your position on morality could gain considerable support from the work of Nietzsche.
Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 02:46 pm
@JLNobody,
That's good advice. Btw, reading Nietzsche didn't alter my personal concepts of morality, either, however.
Cipherius
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 04:00 pm
@JLNobody,
You make it sound like that would be a bad thing.
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Logicus
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 04:04 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
What are your moral inclinations? If would be interesting to compare it my my growing one.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 05:41 pm
@Logicus,
Morality, Logic, is a purely relative issue. Doubtless Hitler Youth considered the roundup and slaughter of Jews to be highly moral. Likewise the pious Christian who hangs up Porky by his hind legs then cuts his throat so he bleeds to death before slaughtering and eating him

If Porky were in charge we'd be kept in muddy pens while he'd view intelligence as a vice. He might use us as food but doubt if he'd first torture us

Logicus
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 06:15 pm
@dalehileman,
True. One of my teachers had a discussion about morality with my class, and the idea of, "Are evil and good the same thing?" I offered that they were not even the same, but all relative. He quickly put that down by creating an example of himself brutally murdering a small puppy. After that, my class was so convinced that good and evil were separate and real, I found it futile to keep pressing the matter.
Cipherius
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 06:36 pm
@Logicus,
Another example of majority rules, huh? Remember that history class we had when we discussed how Athens fell because it was too democratic?
Logicus
 
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Reply Sat 27 Jul, 2013 06:42 pm
@Cipherius,
Yes. I do.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jul, 2013 05:55 am
@Logicus,
There are moral absolute. Like eating your own kids is considered bad in all cultures. Even in times of great famine.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jul, 2013 07:50 am
I am in favour of an argument for absolutes...at large. Any other account by example alone right as it may be, is explanatorly poor.
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Logicus
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jul, 2013 10:25 am
@Olivier5,
You have a point, although I usually attribute the disgust of eating your own children against natural instinct.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 28 Jul, 2013 10:27 am
@Logicus,
Futile is right; the hoi polloi aren't Logical
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