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The Holy Cross

 
 
Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 01:47 am
Whatever became of the cross Jesus was crucified on ?

If this actually happened wouldn't it have been preserved somewhere ?
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Terry
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 05:38 am
Why would it have been preserved? A few centuries later there was quite a lucrative trade in religious relics, but no one at the time would have realized its future value.

It would most likely have been burned for firewood or something.
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CerealKiller
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 06:08 am
I thought it might be displayed in a museum somewhere but I have never actually heard of anyone knowing the whereabouts of the cross.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 04:55 pm
I was probably re-used, over and over again. The romans had a hankering for that sort of thing.
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 05:08 pm
Have any Crosses been recovered and dated back to that period?
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Algis Kemezys
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 06:43 pm
I heard that when jesus was crucified the olive tree lost it,s heart and that is why they are hollow.
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 07:17 pm
Where did you hear that?
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Algis Kemezys
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 07:18 pm
I heard it on Crete. We were speaking of the cross and because it was also made from some olive tree, the olive tree transformed itself ever since....
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caprice
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 07:27 pm
Olive trees are hollow? Who knew!
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 07:53 pm
For a story of the Crucifixion told from the point of view of the cross read The Dream of the Rood.
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 08:15 pm
Algis.Kemezys wrote:
I heard it on Crete. We were speaking of the cross and because it was also made from some olive tree, the olive tree transformed itself ever since....


I never knew that the Cross was made from an Olive tree. Are you sure of this? Isn't the wood from the Olive tree sort of weak and flexible? The Cross has always looked like it was made out of a really sturdy wood. Cool
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 08:20 pm
The cross has always looked like it was made out of a really sturdy wood? Hmmm...unless you were actually there at the time of the crucifixion Miller, I can only assume that you are referring to how the cross looks in paintings, on television, and in movies.
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 08:27 pm
cavfancier wrote:
The cross has always looked like it was made out of a really sturdy wood? Hmmm...unless you were actually there at the time of the crucifixion Miller, I can only assume that you are referring to how the cross looks in paintings, on television, and in movies.



That's right! Cool
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 08:32 pm
The Olive tree is also known as the silent witness.

The Olive Tree - A Silent Witness (Luke 2239-46)
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CerealKiller
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 08:34 pm
I read somewhere it wasn't actually a cross but more of an upright stake.

The orginal greek and hebrew words mean stake not cross, the cross actually was a very popular pagan symbol before jesus' time, and it crept into religon.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 11:39 pm
CerealKiller wrote:
I read somewhere it wasn't actually a cross but more of an upright stake.


That's the way, the Romans did it.

At the end of the first century B.C., the Romans adopted crucifixion as an official punishment for non-Romans for certain limited transgressions. Initially, it was employed not as a method of execution, but only as a punishment. Moreover, only slaves convicted of certain crimes were punished by crucifixion. During this early period, a wooden beam, known as a furca or patibulum was placed on the slave's neck and bound to his arms.

The first historical record of Crucifixion was about 519 BC when "Darius I, king of Persia, crucified 3,000 political opponents in Babylon" .

Generally, cruxifction has been an important method of capital punishment, particularly among the Persians, Seleucids, Carthaginians, and Romans from about the 6th century BC to the 4th century AD. Constantine the Great, the first Christian emperor, abolished it in the Roman Empire in AD 337, out of veneration for Jesus Christ, the most famous victim of crucifixion.
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CerealKiller
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 11:52 pm
Thanks Walter. Damn you're smart. Very Happy
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 12:15 am
CerealKiller wrote:
Thanks Walter. Damn you're smart. Very Happy


No, not really - I only know a bit, where to find what :wink:
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Ceili
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 12:22 am
I have heard that the cross was actually two pieces. The stake was a large tree trunk on the mountain and the cross beam was the part jesus dragged. His was apparently an unusual cruxifition for the times.
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Algis Kemezys
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 11:12 am
The Olive is stury and actually formidably strong.When looking at old tree ie 800 years plus the configuration of the bark is nothing short of amazing. When in Greece or other places its fun just seeing how many creatures oner can find in their gnarled wood.
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