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Mon 29 Mar, 2004 05:00 pm
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This is our first discussion and I would like those in this usergroup to know that there will be no violations of the TOS on this thread and that I will be strictly watching for that. For now, this thread is accessed only by us, but it will eventually go to the public forums, so before you bash - you better be clear that tha'ts #1 - a big no no and #2 - the bashee will see it sooner or later.
so, let's go....
When I watched the Passion, of course I was moved. However, I recognize that as with other movies or films, liberties were taken. The overall message, I thought, served more to force focus on the horrific things that Jesus went through....though I'm not sure of the purpose of this - to convict present chrstians or to bemoan decendants of the saducees?
I was of course immediately reminded of the passage in the Bible which says that everytime we sin, we crucify him all over again - so there's that sticking in my craw, as I sin daily *sigh* even though I try not to....
What do you think of this film?
that sticking in your craw - is the breath and weight of what he did for you on the cross and how large it was for humanity
I thought the film was great and will be shown for generations to come. I thought all the hype over the graphicness was over done - dunno who to blame or if it's even necessary. I've seen worse wounds in the ER when I was an EMT.
There was things like when they dropped the cross that made my gut drop.
I honestly thought the Passion was a very moving movie... I am not sure i will be able to watch it againg for a long time. It was not a pleasure movie at all... But then again it was not meant to be. I thought that it was very interesting that they portrayed the devil as beautiful... afterall the devil was the most beautiful of the angels... It makes it easier to understand the reason that he was so tempting. I myself would never willingly follow a horned ugly beast when I could follow someone that was kind and lovely. I found myself forcing myself to watch the parts that I would normally turn away from because I thought to myself "This is your lord and he did this for you, you must not turn away from the precious gift he gave u." And I cried.... and cried. I am not a crier at movies. I think the thing that got to me the most was that Mary had to watch her son, her flesh and blood go through all that and she could do nothing to ease his pain. So in a way his pain became her pain also.
I haven't seen it yet. I have plans to see it next week-end. Thanks for the reviews.
Doveyluvr wrote:I honestly thought the Passion was a very moving movie... I am not sure i will be able to watch it againg for a long time. It was not a pleasure movie at all... But then again it was not meant to be. I thought that it was very interesting that they portrayed the devil as beautiful... afterall the devil was the most beautiful of the angels... It makes it easier to understand the reason that he was so tempting. I myself would never willingly follow a horned ugly beast when I could follow someone that was kind and lovely. I found myself forcing myself to watch the parts that I would normally turn away from because I thought to myself "This is your lord and he did this for you, you must not turn away from the precious gift he gave u." And I cried.... and cried. I am not a crier at movies. I think the thing that got to me the most was that Mary had to watch her son, her flesh and blood go through all that and she could do nothing to ease his pain. So in a way his pain became her pain also.
I saw the devil as a metaphor - amongst and within the people
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what i don't understand is the baby... in the devils arms during the whipping scene.... is this where hate breeds hate???
Doveyluvr wrote:what i don't understand is the baby... in the devils arms during the whipping scene.... is this where hate breeds hate???
Good point - how about innocent humanity born into sin (or whatever name we want to place on it)?
Checking in although I'm an agnostic. I respect your opinions and am interested in their origins.
I haven't seen the movie and don't plan to as I have real trouble watching graphic scenes.
It is possible to correct the spelling of Christian in the topic?
Thank You
I think Onyxelle can fix it.
"Passion" is a pornographic movie.
I refuse to see it. Why should I pay money to Mel Gibson who is already rich enough to turn S&M sexual fantasies into a movie?
I made a note of this description: a homoerotic exercise in lurid sadomasochism for those who get turned on by a handsome young man being stripped and flayed alive over a long period of time.
Now I don't remember where I found that. I think in an op-ed piece from the New York Times.
John I didn't see where you see sexual stuff in there - I'm sure the Romans had no sexual intent.
I'm confused maybe this is not really the debate room?
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21513
Trying to clear things up:
This IS the debate room.
John Garvey is a member of the specified usergroup.
Diane, however is not.
I did ask CDK how it was supposed to work, he's informed me that several usergroups have access to this debate room forum - wherein they may begin their own threads. That is why the posting in the initial post of a thread is important and specifies the usergroups who's postings will be accepted
What I would ask is this:
If you're not a member of the Christian user-group, I'd ask that you refrain from posting in this particular thread. It is intended for Christians to have conversation among other Christians. Divergent views put forth by those not in the usergroup will only serve to complicate matters and force the members of the Christian Usergroup into a defense pattern - again.
Re: "Passion" is a pornographic movie.
John Garvey wrote:I refuse to see it. Why should I pay money to Mel Gibson who is already rich enough to turn S&M sexual fantasies into a movie?
I made a note of this description: a homoerotic exercise in lurid sadomasochism for those who get turned on by a handsome young man being stripped and flayed alive over a long period of time.
Now I don't remember where I found that. I think in an op-ed piece from the New York Times.
Is that really what you think this movie was? I've not heard that description of it before, but you really think this was about sex? You've not seen the movie, so what, other than that description you've noted, gives you that impression? Yes, the scene is very graphic, but hardly sexual....I think it more indicative of a deviant sort of mind that would find anthing sexual in the portrayal of Jesus' flogging.
I thought the movie was moving, but I've also heard a description of crucifixion from a M.D./historian that was equally convicting. What I find most beneficial about the film is the way it has people talking--Hollywood reevaluating the Christian market, people of other faiths discussing Jesus, etc.
While the movie moved me, it was in a sense incomplete; to really "edify" or spiritually nourish me I think it needed more of the big picture--more of Jesus' teachings, O.T. law, etc. Kind of hard to fit in a 2 hr film, though. Our pastor has begun a series of sermons on why Christ's crucifixion/death was necessary and what it achieved, and I am finding his series much more edifying than the movie.
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I found the source for the quote. It is from a column by Frank Rich in the March 7 New York Times quoting Christopher Hitchens during his appearance on "Hardball". Column title is "Mel Gibson Forgives Us for His Sins".
Sadism and masochism are sexual experiences. Is there a reason why I have to see the movie to believe that sexual gratification may be found in it by those into that variety of the sexual experience? That is why I am convinced that Mel Gibson's film is pornography. I have never seen an abortion or witnessed a lethal injection. I don't believe I need to do either in order to justify my feeling that both procedures are despicable. And that the film is pornographic.
Frank Rich observes that many Christian believers are moved to tears by "The Passion". "They bring their own deep feelings to the theater with them, and when Mr. Gibson pushes their buttons, however crudely, they generously do his work for him, supplying from their hearts the authentic spirituality that is missing in his jamboree of bloody beefcake."
I have never talked to anyone who has seen the movie who hasn't loved it. I find that very disturbing. A noted Catholic priest and one of our greatest preachers, Walter Burghardt, S.J., once said this about Good Friday: "Focus on the history and you lose the mystery." That is the best reason I have found to label the movie a failure as the spiritual experience Mel Gibson probably wanted it to be. An "R" rated movie about Jesus -- imagine that!
i respect your opinions.
Many of the Christians I know who were moved to tears are the same ones that cry whenever they think of the wrongs Jesus had to endure - although it was written that it would happen and it had to happen.
I can hardly watch the cruxifiction portion of King of Kings, but that's not because I think it's pornographic...
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