Not really, the Beatles OBE's were part of Wilson's plan to modernise the premiership and appeal to the youth.
"We are redefining and we are restating our socialism in terms of the scientific revolution.... The Britain that is going to be forged in the white heat of this revolution will be no place for restrictive practices or outdated methods on either side of industry." Harold Wilson.
I doubt very much if Liz had anything to do with it at all, a lot of peers, knights, dames etc. are decided by the government of the day and Liz just rubber stamps it, and that was definitely the case with The Beatles.
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Thu 7 May, 2015 02:46 am
I didn't say "Liz" had anything to do with it, i will point out once again that i had noted that the order would have been granted based on expert advice. I'd say you're kidding yourself if you think Wilson made such decisions based on his own recognizance. PM or monarch, the process will be begun at a much lower level, and then be kicked up to cabinet to assure that no one politically odious is involved. As for appealing to youth, i seriously doubt that even that was an idea original with Wilson. It wasn't Bill Clinton or the press who coined the term "It's the economy, stupid" in 1992, when Clinton defeated the elder Bush--it was James Carville, Clinton's campaign manager, and therefore, his expert advice.
It might not have been Wilson's idea, although I still think it was, but he definitely bought into it. It was very much in keeping with his idea of government.
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Long before the sharp suits and even sharper spin of New Labour, Mr Wilson – with his trademark Gannex raincoat and pipe – was a self-styled politician of the people.
Serving two terms as prime minister from 1964-70 and 1974-76, he brought a populist touch to Number 10.
Although he resigned in 1976, handing over the reins to Jim Callaghan, his legacy in the country as a whole and within his own party continued.
Tony Blair described Mr Wilson, who later became Baron Wilson of Rievaulx, as “the first modern prime minister”.
“He made the country very, very different,” he explained. “When I was younger I remember seeing The Beatles in Downing Street and how very incredible that was. In that culture of the Sixties, it was a revolution and a change in the way people thought and worked and lived.”
You can quibble all you want (and my experience is that you are prepared to go on for days with what has absolutely no relevance to this thread), but if one were to get technical about this, the monarch is always the fount of all honors.
It didn't take you long to revert to type, unlike you I have something to wank.
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Sat 9 May, 2015 01:47 am
It doesn't take you long to glaringly demonstrate that you had nothing to say in reality. In my post to which you responded, pointlessly, i made the point that the Queen makes her selections based on expert advice. You waste how much bandwidth babbling about Harold Wilson before saying exactly the same thing. You don't revert to type because being clueless is your normal mental state.
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Sat 9 May, 2015 01:47 am
Oh, and thank you for pissing all over the thread, jackass.
You did that, you seem to be under the misapprehension that Liz has a lot more power than she really has. When I pointed out what it was really like you were unable to admit you were wrong and resorted to petty insults.
Liz rubber stamped the OBEs, she didn't take advice, she did what she was told by the elected government. That's how a constitutional monarchy works, in the real world at least.
Oh, and thank you for pissing all over the thread, jackass.
Anyone bring popcorn!? I like watchin a good bitch fight, now and again.
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Sun 10 May, 2015 02:41 am
@izzythepush,
You seem to be under the misapprehension that you can think coherently. I said, in the post from which you flew off into the wild blue yonder, that she only does such things with expert advice. You have steadily ignored that because you would otherwise have had nothing to bray about. What you allege about "Liz" (a term i have not used) accurately describes your bullshit claims about Wilson.
I insulted you because you were pissing all over my thread and deserved it, you petty little man. You just wanted an occasion to run in and say "Hey, look at me, look at me!."
You still wittering on? You're wrong, Liz doesn't take advice and then make a decision, she does what the elected government tells her to do. There may be a few exceptions where she personally wants to honour someone, but most of the honours are political, and the Beatles' MBEs definitely were.
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In 1965, in a bid to shore up his image with young voters, Labour prime minister Harold Wilson took the decision to give the Beatles the MBE.
All this nonsensical posturing is because you're incapable of admitting you're ever wrong about something, a habit most people grow out of when they finish adolescence.
And here's something that definitely has a Beatles connection, although you need to either watch it through or skip to the 11 minute mark to find out what it is.
If you want a clue, just try to see the resemblance at the 6.20 to 6.25 mark.
Worth a watch, as long as you've got the volume on max.
The Who, closing this year's Glastonbury about two weeks ago.....
WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN......
Townsend's snipe at the beginning is because the awful Kanye West had just been and had his slot on stage, telling everyone that they were now watching the greatest rock star in the world.
It didn't go down too well, to say the least.
Hence the Townsend Yay joke......
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Tue 7 Jul, 2015 01:27 pm
@izzythepush,
You apparently are still "wittering on" based on the undemonstrated and fallacious premise that politicians take decisions entirely on their own, and without consulting expert opinion. As your quote from the Scotsman shows, he was attempting to shore up support with younger voters, and the odds are very high that he was advised to do this.
Most relatively intelligent and educated people, by the time they leave adolescence, are capable of assessing someone else's remarks based on what they have actually said, as opposed to some bullshit they've cobbled together to make a feeble argument. That's because you're incapable of admitting you're ever wrong about something, Since you first arrived here, you've made hysterical and unwarranted claims about what i've said or meant, completely without any evidence from what i've actually written.
