Agnostics: Do you believe in god?

it would be impossible for somthing immiterial to impact somthing physical - by the very meanings of the words.

I delcare your dwarf non-existant. I am an adwarfist based on sufficient evidence of lack of physical impact where claims of physical impact were invented.

The spirit world defies your puny word meanings. - Sez Dwarfy

Quoth the Dwarf:

"I am all-powerful. I see your fragile word meanings and raise you one omnipotence. This by definition means I can impact the physical world without following your silly 'must be physical' rule. I am Dwarfy, god of all flesh. Is there anything too hard for me? The answer is no, by the way. Stay in school and don't eat mustard. Send tribute to Craven if you wnat to go to utopia when you die."


There you have it portal. From the Dwarfy himself. See, he's all powerful. Puny physics laws are no match for his prodigious manliness.



Dwarfy pities you. He has re-invented himself as all powerful to cirvumvent your silly rules yet you still refuse to believe. There are none so blind as they who will not see. Sigh

Dwarfy says he's a god to be feared, and to not eat mustard and to pay tribute.

I don't relish your God, dwarfy, Craven...


(Get it?...."relish"! HAHAHAHAH!!! Oh, I slay me!!!)

Dwarfy: "Ha ha ha. Very funny. Now relish is an abomination. Thus sayeth Dwarfy-the-god-of-all-flesh-who-is-not-limited-by-Portal's-silly-must-be-physical-rule. Which reminds me, mustard is an abomination. I lost a family member to mustard once."


Note that Dwarfy is now, by definition, exempt from Portal's word meanings rules. It's so easy to erect a fallacy that can't be disproven....

You will spend eternity in a cold damp womb. Utopia's pleasures and buxom harlots will be forever out of your reach. - Sez Dwarfy

I can't help but think something bad happened to you in that womb...or maybe 'twas the expulsion you never got over...

My world is still physical. Other people's worlds are still physical. Still no detections of dwarves or dwarf brides on the all-powerful physical world detectors. Tell dwarfy to give me a ticket to hawaii and some cash and then I'll be a believer. Until I run out of cash.

So what about impacting worlds, does the impact have to be first hand? If an immaterial item such as an idea was conveyed, perhaps by radio waves, to a human who then batted baseballs at successive windows as a response to the idea, wouldn't that constitute Impact? If an idea fails Dwarfy and other's tests for Immaterial, one could perhaps provide another item to be transferred to a physical item-hurler.

Dwarfy says your self interest is a bigger abomination than mustard. But he pities you for closing your mind to the spirit world.

See, you have no proof that it doesn't exist so you make up rules about how it either can't exist or can't affect you.

Dwarfy says he'd pray for you but people look at him funny when he's talking to himself.

Hmm, well I too was praying & suddenly realized I was talking to myself...hey I guess that means I'm god too!

What the...?

As they say, you learn something new every day..

Careful with the blasphemy. Dwarfy might smite you.

I'll see your smiting, & raise you a good ol' fashioned godly devouring.

JLNobody I think you got the jest of it, and perhaps I'm not saying much more then that, though I think Atman or our non-objective nature, our non-existence is excessively overlooked, due, no doubt, to an obsession with objectifying, "as if" that's all there was.

To say non-objectivity exists is to say it or its ?'itlessness' is as present as objectivity (one cannot exist without the other since they are identical), which may not be saying much, . (Because language is an objectifier its impossible to point to non-objectivity without contradictions but when has that stops us).

Point is, our non-being has a non-objective presence for if it(?) didn't there would be no presence at all as that is what we are, i.e. subjectivity, i.e. nothing.

And I was calling atheism into question from that perspective, i.e. god as non-objective, i.e. to god is god god?……Not if god is non-objective and nonconceptual. If god exists as non-objectivity then god is not god; god cannot be know objectively,, yet god would still exist as non-being. ('god' does not survive the nontransition transition from duality to nonduality).

The meaninglessness of the whole god issue is quite different then the meaninglessness of god as being transconceptual or transmeaning. Or is it?

Psst...Dwarfy'd better watch his hairy back.

www.bifrost.com.au/hosting/gnomes/

Those are gnomes, not dwarves!!!! Craven didna say he has a GNOME!

As if one could respect a man with a GNOME on his shoulder! The idea...

Funny bunny

I'd go so far as to say it's blasphemy.

he gonna smite anyone?

i draw the line at gnome worship.