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The brief appearance of Islamic members.

 
 
fresco
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2012 01:11 am
@Fatihah,
Not my definition I assure you, but a significant one in epistemology and ontology. As I said, you are not equipped to examine your conditioned thought processes. Discussion of the concepts of "proof" and "truth" is a bit like ice-skating, but you are unable to put the boots on.

On the basis of the layman's (dictionary) idea of "truth" how would you (as a representative Muslim) cope with modern science like Quantum Theory, which one exponent has described by the phrase "Everything that can happen, does happen".? (Note that your computer hardware depends on such a theory).





fresco
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2012 01:57 am
@Fatihah,
On second thoughts..."mountain climbing in order to get a better view"...might be a more appropriate analogy than "ice skating".
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Fatihah
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2012 01:40 pm
@fresco,
In other words, you have no proof that islam is untrue, thus your point is pointless. Thanks for the clarification.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2012 01:43 pm
@Fatihah,
People who make claims have the burden of proof, no one is obliged to disprove them. People who make extraordinary claims have an extraordinary burden of proof. Finally, people who make any claim which involves the supernatural have the highest standard of proof. No one has to disprove the story you're peddling. You have to prove it or else accept that people are justified in dismissing what you say.
Fatihah
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2012 01:48 pm
@Setanta,
People making claims do have the burden of proof. Which is why the burden to prove that islam is false is not my burden since it is not my claim.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2012 01:52 pm
@Fatihah,
Your claim is that Islam is true. That's your burden of proof, and you have not met it. For me to say "I don't believe that" is not at all the same as saying i know it to be untrue.

You have a burden of proof which you have not met, and now you're attempting to use a feeble and false logic to weasel out of your burden.
Fatihah
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2012 01:56 pm
@Setanta,
And it was claimed that islam is false, thus the burden of proof is on the person making that claim. As for my claim, my claim was never challenged to be proven, nor did I set out to prove it, so your point is pointles as usual. You are simply wiggling out the fact you you yourself can't prove that islam is false either.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2012 02:00 pm
@Fatihah,
Who claimed that? I didn't claim that. I just don't believe any of that old superstitious hocus-pocus. You truly are an intellectual weasel.
fresco
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2012 02:14 pm
@Fatihah,
I am not disputing that it is psychological and social modus vivendi, but so is every major religion. As far as I am concerned, the details of your belief system, like all others, are trivial and arbitrary. But what works at the psychological level has been shown historically often to be pernicious at the social level. In other words, in the eyes of the rest of the world, Islam poses a significant problem due to fanatic elements over whom your system has no control. You therefore have my sympathies as you are stuck with an indefensible anachronism which causes pain and suffering to its adherents and others as we speak.
Fatihah
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2012 04:54 pm
@Setanta,
Likewise.
Fatihah
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2012 04:56 pm
@fresco,
Yet the fact that you continue to fail to quote anything from the Qur'an or sunnah to back your assertions supports the fact that islam is a peaceful and just religion. Debunked as usual.
fresco
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2012 05:17 pm
@Fatihah,
Quote:
a peaceful and just religion
Rolling Eyes

Tell that to the Sunnis and Shias blowing up each others children in Iraq.... or tell that to Malala Yousafzai, the girl shot in the neck by Taliban chauvinist fanatics.
fresco
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2012 05:30 pm
@Fatihah,
From last week's British News
Quote:
Mother 'beat son, 7, to death then set fire to his body' because he struggled to learn the Koran off by heart.
Sara Ege, 32, is accused of beating her son Yaseen to death because he was struggling with his Islamic studies, then setting fire to his body
The boy's death was treated as an accident until a post-mortem examination revealed Yaseen died before the blaze broke out at the family home in Cardiff
Cardiff Crown Court was told Ege beat Yaseen with a stick and a hammer and locked him in a shed when he failed to recite Koran passages
The 32-year-old denies murdering her son and burning his body to destroy the evidence


Go on ....now quote me the bit in the Koran which says its okay to beat a child or a wife but not to do them physical harm. Mr. Green


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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2012 02:43 am
@Fatihah,
So, basically you're conceding that you made a false claim? Such honesty from a religious fanatic is unexpected and refreshing.
Fatihah
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2012 04:02 am
@fresco,
There's no need. Your own failed rebuttal to show anything from the Qur'an or sunnah that demonstrates that islam is not peaceful or just continues to expose your flawed argument and demonstrate that it's your ideology that's unjust. Thanks for the clarification.
Fatihah
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2012 04:03 am
@Setanta,
To the contrary, your own failed logic continues to support my claim. At least you are consistent.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2012 04:26 am
You are consistently playing the fanatical religionist's game of attempting to shift the burden of proof. No one has to prove that your Islamic superstitions are false--you have to prove that it's all true. You have provided not one shred of evidence. You've got a gall to be talking about logic, given that you apparently can't employ logic yourself.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2012 04:28 am
@Fatihah,
Straw man fallacy--i've never said that Islam is not peaceful or just. It's a matter of indifference to me if the details of our superstition call for peace or justice. I have no ideology in play here.
Fatihah
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2012 04:34 am
@Setanta,
Still ducking and dodging I see. Your own logic supports the fact that one has to prove that islam is false when making the claim. So your redundancy continues to fail.
Fatihah
 
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Reply Wed 14 Nov, 2012 04:35 am
@Setanta,
Strawman response, since I never claimed that you stated that Islam is not peaceful or unjsut. Debunked as usual.
 

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