@cheeser,
cheeser wrote:
Ok, please explain how it is i'm not willing to look at things objectively, thats exactly what im trying to do. "For all that you can imagine yourself outside of the established system (i.e. being human), you are, in the end, a human." i can understand your objection and understand the fact that one can not truly be objective but if you dont even attempt there is absolutely no point in arguing these issues, i believe the easiest route to that is to try to forget human attachments, its then imo that you realise that in fact none of it really matters and life is ultimately pointless and any sense of morals seems trivial.
"What other estabished systems are there upon which you base your criteria for objectivity?" im sorry i dont understand what you are asking, the base of my argument is that you attempt to free your self from the established system, why would i base my criteria for objectivity on established systems?
Well, when you explained that you “believe the easiest route to that is to try to forget human attachments, its then,” in your opinion, “ that you realise that in fact none of it really matters and life is ultimately pointless and any sense of morals seems trivial,” you established a system for objectivity.
But then that is contradicted by your previous statement that, “one can not truly be objective,” and yet you come to the conclusion that “in fact none of it really matters and life is ultimately pointless and any sense of morals seems trivial.”
You jump to conclusions about morals based on other conclusions about none of it really mattering, and life being pointless, which in turn are based on impossible criteria, forgetting human attachments.