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Håkon and Håkan, from Turkish?

 
 
J Guiseppe
 
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Reply Fri 8 Feb, 2013 02:53 pm
@2622572,
Let me inject som projections for the Norse/Viking/Hunnic/Turkish relativities
Everything begins with the warrior Attila and his forefathers:
The chinese called the huns Xiongnu and the ruling family clan Chunwei (chun clan in chinese) , there was another clan in the Xiongnu called Wusun (meaning descendants of crow in chinese, WU is crow or raven & sun is grandchildren) and spelled as Asman.
The Wusun/Asman lost a battle and driven west and out of Xiongnu land. Later (in roman history) they became the WhiteHuns or Western huns.
Now Attila who was a real threat and also documented by roman historians talked about his clan and grandfathers he named some of them (from youngest to oldest)
- Octar (Oktar in turkish and Ottar in norse/swedish, later called Ottar Vendel by swedes. He has a hög/burialmount/tumulus in Sigtuna. The name still used in turkish.
- Charaton , havent read much about him but romans say that he ruled a kingdom by/behind a sea.
- Uldin , Allfather/Odun/Odin/Ouldin/Wodun/Träguden(WoodenGod) etc. A man with crows/cravens , black hair , a eight legged horse (well actually a steppehorse, nowadays called Przewalski horse) with 8 nails/hooves
- Balamber (Waldemar in swedish , Balamir in turkish)

In norse/swedish mythology the King/God Odin was a As (asar in swedish) from As-land (like in the name Az-er-baijan). In turkish As/Az/Öz means Origin (Ursprung in swedish).
The norse/swedish/viking gods said we are from As-gård Wink
The turks says they are descendent from Ashena , a wolf female Wink

So my friends this was a very short writing.
The romans romantized history , so did the Germans so the real history did survive throug person and place names. Like the names mentioned earlier Hakan/Håkan/Haakon and Erik/Ernakh/Ardarik etc.
When hungarian historians (a magyar people in the hunnic history) gets an awakening (their roman/catholic believing is to strong) and the russian archeologists take a brave stand the history will be more truthfull. The famous swedish historians/archeologists did see the connection like Hedin, Swedenborg, Lagerbring etc. Also did the sagas like Edda and Ynglinga.

Some last words about runic alphabet :
Turks did write in runic (before islam) , so did also Hungarians/Magyars (before christianity)
But the swedish/norse/viking/danish/norwegian/icelandic runic is the most famous.
Even the etruscs in northern Italy did write runic, the romans/latins cant read or write them.

Its late and im getting older , hope this has clearified som historic realitys.
saab
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2013 01:52 am
Octar (Oktar in turkish and Ottar in norse/swedish, later called Ottar Vendel by swedes. He has a hög/burialmount/tumulus in Sigtuna.

Ohthere (also Ohtere), Old Norse Óttarr vendilkráka (Vendelcrow; in Modern Swedish Ottar Vendelkråka) is a semi-legendary king of Sweden of the house of Scylfings who would have lived during the 6th century (fl. c. 515 – c. 530

He is not a historical person - he is a semi-legendary king.
The Ohthere's Mound is not located in Sigtuna but in Tierp, Vendel, which is one hour´s drive from Sigtuna.
As he is a legendary king there is no proof that he is buried in that burialmount at all.
J Guiseppe
 
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Reply Sat 9 Feb, 2013 04:45 pm
@saab,
He may be a "semi-legendary king" nowadays for the swedish historians , but for other's he is a documented king/hövding if you look at hunnic rulers.
So is Oden. Forgot the word connection on Oden Smile
Loved person's has many names , here are a few Woden, Wodan, Wudan, Uuoden, Wodanaz + some more

In swedish wood is VED
In english wood is WOOD
In turkish wood is ODUN Wink

The swedes/norse/vikings did believe in a person who was hunnic , like nowadays we believe in semitic persons/kings.

This isn't a turkish historians stand/view, they haven't even looked at it yet (they are still busy with ottoman history, the alphabet reform did illiterate the people ).
I even get surprised when Im on wikipedia that there isnt any turkish entry/injection/translation in many historical pages, like in the hunnic , norse , viking etc.
saab
 
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Reply Sun 10 Feb, 2013 02:56 am
@J Guiseppe,
Octar was a Hunnic ruler. His rule dates are unknown, yet it is believed he started around 420 AD. This is historical correct.

Ottar seem to be a semi-legendary king who if he had lived lived about 100 years later than Octar.
The sources where Ottar is described have much of fairytale element.
Also the text where Ottar is mentioned were written hundreds of years after his death.
Fact is that many persons mentioned before year 1000 cannot be prooved to have lived. I am talking about Scandinavia.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 10 Feb, 2013 07:08 am
@J Guiseppe,
J Guiseppe wrote:

Loved person's has many names , here are a few Woden, Wodan, Wudan, Uuoden, Wodanaz + some more

In swedish wood is VED
In english wood is WOOD
In turkish wood is ODUN Wink
The English word for Odin/Wodan(the all-germanic name for this Deity was Wôðanaz, the southern Germanic word was Wōdan) is Wōden (hence: Wednesday).


Actually, there are two versions about this name: one says, the it was an all-germanic deity from the indo-germanic period.
Others (especially in more recent times) say, that it came up about in the lower-Rhine/north German region as a kind of follower-up for the foremr deity Týr.


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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 10 Feb, 2013 07:13 am
@J Guiseppe,
J Guiseppe wrote:

Some last words about runic alphabet :
Turks did write in runic (before islam) , so did also Hungarians/Magyars (before christianity)
But the swedish/norse/viking/danish/norwegian/icelandic runic is the most famous.
Even the etruscs in northern Italy did write runic, the romans/latins cant read or write them.

Its late and im getting older , hope this has clearified som historic realitys.
You do know that there's a science called Runology ?
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HE71
 
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Reply Sun 6 Sep, 2015 06:18 am
Prof. Sven Lagerbring wrote in his book: "Our ancestors are Turks who are comrades of Oden. We have got enough evidence on this subject. There are people who want to fool you into thinking they are Goths, or Tyrks. I don't care whether it will be discrediting for me or not. Oden and his comrades were Turks."
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WhiteOwl
 
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Reply Tue 11 Oct, 2016 02:24 pm
Why can't these two names come from a similar tradition or a region? Turkic people (not quite what you understand from Turkish people of today) were nomadic tribes who travelled on horseback and fought to conquer just like Scandinavians used to. They might have met at some point and exchanged names or other things as well. No big deal.
saab
 
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Reply Wed 12 Oct, 2016 01:43 am
@WhiteOwl,
The Scandinavians are not exactly known for travelling long distances on horseback - as a rule they went by ship whenever they could.
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