Cave art called oldest in world

Neanderthal without the "fight face" (Business Executive Neanderthal, www.themandus.org):

The "expert" Vendramini used for his reconstructions is a Hollywood special effects artist who makes his living creating monsters that never existed, like werewolves, for the movies. He makes impossible animals look somewhat plausible. He has no background in forensic anatomy. He basically took whatever undocumented speculation Vendramini gave him and put flesh around it. He got the relation of the skull to the body wrong, he got the brow ridge wrong, he got the facial angle wrong, the "cat's eyes" are completely non-evidentiary, and his version of bipedalism is totally fucked--we/ve been more erect than that since australopithecus. Not to mention the black skin--racist much? And the hair, which was probably lost a couple million years before Neandertha when we all lived on the African savannah, where hair loss and sweat glands provided better thermal regulation. The evidence supports that they wore somewhat tailored clothing to stay warm, not body hair. Vendramini's a complete fantasy, in other words.

Gunga is the sort of dumb sap these 'documentary' makers rely on to make their money. Here's a link to the serious publication I took my photo from.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/may/17/neanderthals-cannibalism-anthropological-sciences-journal

Here's a link to the NPR news story this morning about the possibilities of the art being by Neanderthalensis rather than homo sapiens.

http://www.npr.org/2012/06/15/155110484/neanderthals-the-oldest-cave-painters

Vendraminis "Expert" also worked with a crushed and deformed skull.
Weve been over this **** with gungasmoke so many times. Hes just an ignorant moron who gets his science from All night radio.

I'm glad you guys are keeping me informed that Gungadim is posting **** on this thread. I've had the moron on 'ignore' for months.

Trying to draw a human-like Neanderthal with the eyes and nose as large as the bones indicate they would have to be...

Image courtesy of Rob Gargett, The Subversive Archaeologist Blogspot (http://thesubversivearchaeologist.blogspot.com/)

Neanderthal footprint. Try this: next time it rains, take off your shoes, find some mud, and see if you can figure a way to make a footprint like that.....

He can be an annoying douche bag whose head is usually up his ass. He actually believes his ****, thats the pity.
No amount of evidence will satisfy gunga, he loves myths and unicorn tales

The Subversive Archaeologist again:

His Neanderthals aren't flying about on Pterodactyls just yet, but I think one of them is about to climb the Empire State Building.

Its funny how this guy keeps p[eddling just one skull that (may not even be a neanderthal for all we know--much stuff on the we=b is just crap). There is a lot of verifiable skull data and theres even a neanderthal fetus from ALtamira that has a typical skull that is modern compaerd to the skull that vendramini tries to push off as an "Ape-man".

www.themandus.org

Somebody should have figured that **** out 150 years ago. Danny Vendramini obviously was just playing around with images and put the Neanderthal skull inside the ape profile and the proverbial lightbulb came on, as in:

My interest is in the art. I started this post many moons ago.

http://able2know.org/topic/91172-1

And I'm interested to hear about new developments.

References for Vendramini's "Them and US".

http://www.themandus.org/References-them+us.pdf

Thanx for that link, Roberta. Had forgotten the thread. It was fun to re-read.

Hey gunga. Notice where the vertebrae insert into the skull in your clipped overlay .Then look where the apes vertebrae are. In order for that one to fit youd have to "bend" the skull by about 45 dehrees. Then, of course it wouldnt foit vedraminis pipe dream.

His bullshit is several years old (almost 10) why hasnt he made any dets in the literature? Everything he does is self published and videotaped.

Wanna buy a bridge??

By Kerry Sheridan, AFPThu, Jun 14 2012 at 2:04 PM EST


NEANDERTHALS: There has never before been evidence that Neanderthals produced cave art, but they did bury their dead, used some primitive decorative techniques on their bodies and left behind pendants made of bones and shells. (Photo: AFP)
Neanderthals may have been cave-painting artists, according to research published Thursday that details a new method of analyzing cave paintings in Spain and shows they are the oldest known to man.

The tests on 50 paintings in 11 caves in northern Spain, described in the U.S. journal Science, hint at a previously unknown talent that may have been held by Neanderthals in Europe more than 40,000 years ago.

There has never before been evidence that Neanderthals produced cave art, but they did bury their dead, used some primitive decorative techniques on their bodies and left behind pendants made of bones and shells, experts said.

"So it would not be surprising if Neanderthals were Europe's first cave artists," said co-author Joao Zilhao, a research professor from the University of Barcelona.

The cave images include a club, red discs and handprint stencils that were made by someone placing his or her hand against a cave wall and blowing paint on it.

One such disc in the El Castillo cave dates back more than 40,800 years, making it the oldest cave art in Europe, said the team of researchers.

"We are claiming the oldest reliably dated paintings in the world," said lead author Alistair Pike from the University of Bristol.
MORE;
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/stories/neanderthals-may-have-been-cave-painting-artists

That would probably surprise Fred here:



Fred was a good guy, smart, certainly no weakling, capable of feeding his family by killing mammoth elephants and other large game with thrusting spears, but somehow or other he just doesn't look like a fine arts major or anything like that.

Handprints maybe, but not any of those good paintings of horses or other animals, those are clearly the work of Cro Magnons.