@IRFRANK,
Quote:I think that all these gyrations you seem to enjoy have nothing to do with god or no god, rather you like to see how twisted you can make the logic and find out if you can catch someone up in it.
Actually, Frank, I am not trying to “catch” someone or something. I do feel that the position commonly known as "the agnostic position" is, in the long run, more beneficial to society and humanity. I also think it is intellectually and logically superior to atheism or theism. I try to be respectful of the people who disagree with me on that...even the ones who disagree in disagreeable ways.
I try to share of my take on things the same way theists try to share of what they see as more beneficial…and the way atheists try to share of what they see as more beneficial. I hope most humans do that.
Quote:This all may be appropriate for a second level college class in logic, but it's kind of tiring here.
Another unnecessary and gratuitous insult. Why not stop that stuff?
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If you are really trying to find an answer here, I don't think this is the way.
I am not trying to find an answer…I have an answer that I am trying to share.
Quote:You either chose to believe something that cannot be proven or you don't. That's the faith part.
Okay…I choose not to “believe” either way on the question of the existence of gods. I mention that often.
Quote: I don't find fault with those that have it, it seems to provide some comfort and satisfaction.
I do not “find fault” with people who believe either way, Frank. I just think doing away with “beliefs” in either direction has value…and I am trying to suggest why I feel that way.
Quote: I'll admit I don't like it when they try to apply that faith to others (me). I don't find fault with those that don't, I tend to agree with their 'logic'. I don't like it when they act superior and belittle those that do believe.
I do not care if people try to sell their product to me. In fact people who have a keenly felt position but do not try to share of it...confuse me. I wonder why they do not.
In any case, most of the “belittling” that I see on A2K comes from atheists belittling theists. That truly has been my experience. I see theists regularly belittled by atheists...and in very, very mean-spirited ways.
I have personally been charged with belittling atheists, but I honestly try to keep my criticism of atheism as calm and without unnecessary insult as possible. I do not call people stupid or hypocritical or naïve or craven…all of which I often see coming from atheists towards theists...or towards me.
A2K is a VERY HOT KITCHEN...and anyone who cannot take that kind of thing would probably be better off having discussion elsewhere. I have no problem with the heat.
Quote:I don't think you are after an 'answer'. I think you just enjoy the logical arguments.
As I mentioned above, I am not so much looking for answers as I am looking to share my perspective with others and hearing their point of view. I enjoy the give and take--and I don't mind when it occasionally gets heated.
Have a beer with me some time and you will get spirited discussion coming your way.
Play golf with me…and it will be even more spirited.
