Stop "demonizing" Dan Parfait

So.. MOST of the false rumors are false.

Wouldn't that make MOST of the rumors true because of the double negative?

Well I am more of a Hamilton supporter/fan then a Jefferson supporter however he did double the size of the country during his time in office and he was the nearest to an out and out public atheist that ever been in that office.

As far as him being a slave holder that is a case of going back in time and applying the morals of today to a man of the past where slavery was common and even Franklin who in his last years was ant-slavery seems to had have some secondary business dealings with that aspect of the society in his younger days.

Of course applying the morals of the future to our actions now might not paint us in a good light by the standards of the future.

As usual, you're full of ****. There was a very strong anti-slavery movement already in England and in New England. You don't know a ******* thing about history, but that doesn't stop you from puking up your bullshit. Why don't you do me a favor and put me back on ignore.

My my two votes down on my post defensing Mr. Jefferson how interesting to say the least.

An yes the feelings toward slavery was in a state of flux during Jefferson lifetime however it was still a very acceptable fact of life as it had been for most of the history of the human race.

Oh, the change in the feelings toward slavery had far more to do with the changing economic usefulness of that institution then a moral dawning light in the hearts of mankind.

Sorry men of good morals in their own time and place could be involved with slavery and that slavery is evil and a moral failing had been the standard position of human society only for an eyeblink of time.

Holding men and women at fault for failing the now acceptable moral position a hundred and fifty years before it became the new acceptable moral position is crazy.

Bills posts come suspiciously as fresh "mest" from Wikipedia, even some of the phraseing. I suggest he "sanitize" some of his posts a bit more or else claim that "great minds run in parallel".

I'm still trying to figure out what this Dan Milkshake person has to do with Thomas Jefferson. Talk about abrupt turns in the subject of a thread> One good thing (well, maybe good): Set's frontal assault on Bill made me decide to take Bill off "ignore" for a while anyway so I could see for myself just what semi-literate nonsense he was spouting these days. (It's easy to tell when he's quoting Wikipedia - his sentences actually become sentences and hold together. Otherwise they're catch-as-catch-can mumblings.)

LOL I am quoting Wikipedia's materials in my recent postings concerning Jefferson?

Sorry but when I find myself using a Wikipedia article in whole or in part I always have given the link to the article materials in question and for my last few posts I had not made any used of that wonderful internet resource.

So in any case, are you now joining into the interesting idea that people of the past should or can usefully be judge by the current moral standards of today?

Doing so of course bring up the interesting question of how the future will judge all of us using their moral standards as the yardstick that surely will not be identity to ours.

exacatickally-Bill should recognize that , whenever his posts sound like real English----HEs been cribbing.

BUT as for set, Id just consider the following:

But false false rumors are, by definition, true.

Edit: Bloody Parados got there first. Robber!

Anyhow, parfait is for the light weights...real women eat chocolate.

excellent observation, bunny.

By a strange coincidence, while typing the above I was eating a McDonald's parfait. Quite good actually -- yogurt with shopped fruit and grated granola.

So Farmerman would you like to try to back that claim up by doing a google search of any of the text strings I had posted?

If I had been cutting and pasting any section of an wikpedia article for example it would show up in any google search.

Second comment, I find it interesting that you seems to break the correlation between low intelligent and being an asshole that seems to hold in an overall sense on this website.

You and Firefly seems to be the biggest exceptions to that relationship/correlation that I had yet to come across on able2know.

You know Farmman come to think of it I might had, in your case at least, been confusing advance knowledge/education in one narrow scientific field with overall intellect.

I'm begining to think I made a mistake in taking Bill off "ignore" status. Making me rethink that decision now.

On the other thread about Mr. Parfait, it was disclosed that among his many talents, he is "a tenor in musicals." This is well-known code language for porn star.

Isn't he the one uses Hugh Jorgen as a screen-name?

Both Ma and I noted that, whenever you post with no grammatical mistakes, its a sign that youve cribbed. I never said you quoted verbatim, that would be easy to refute (as you are doing by inviting me to do a search (like that is gonna consume 'my time this fine e'en). No, your "footprint" of cribbery is to post without your normal ESL sounding spelling and poor verb/sublect linkage (like my shitty spelling is a dead giveaway).

Im not going to lose any of my rest over what you think of what I didnt learn in the dumb kids class.

Sorry dear heart but you can not prove your case or even show any evidence for it being true for the simple reason that your claims had no connection to reality and as a matter of fact are kind of amusing .

I would in fact, if I was you, be very ashame of the low lives you are keeping company with on this thread.

Jefferson had his faults such as not being willing to mend our relationship with England that help set the stage for the 1812 war and in fact being so rude and insulting to the British Ambassador Anthony Merry that he refused to bring his wife to social occasions.

Then we have him still supporting the French Revolution after it had gone completely bad and had turn on itself in a river of blood.

With all that said it is still silly to take him to task for being a slaveholder in that time period.

Oh yeah, Ol' Tommy should have rushed to mend relations with England after HMS Leopard, in an unprovoked attack, with no warning, fired into USS Chesapeake, killing or wounding about two dozen crew members. All to seize four crewmen whom the Brits returned as soon as Leopard made port at Halifax. Hell, one of the alleged deserters was a black man.

Jefferson's fault while President with regard to the English is that he didn't declare war in 1807. Although, considering his constant efforts to gut the American military, maybe it was just as well. Slavery was widely condemned by civilized nations in Jefferson's lifetime, whether or not Bill is too ignorant to know it.

Most of the false admiration for Jefferson also resides in his "myth" of his intellects. He was smart and creative , however, he was a real loon in his pursuit of the natural sciences , art and architecture, and agriculture.
Has noone looked at Monticello and said"Holy ****, this is a disaster". Its a [place that, armed with a unlimited budget ad Lincolnesque habits of meddling, anyone could design this heap of architectural crap.

It was built with some grand vision but a complete lack of kowledge in the crafts. It wasnst built to be in harmony with the mountain top where it was located, it was some personal "monument" that resulted in an oversized dome that is married to a building in a fashion that is laughable.
His system of rabbit warrens and offsite kitchens and sculleries resulted in wasted energy , and his gizmos and "Add on" perturbations of the house itself always leave one wondering what he was drinking. (Even though there are plenty of staircases, there really is no useable second floor.

And, the place leaks like a seive so badly that the US Parks service has an ongoing project to figure out how to redesig the edifice so as not to overdevelop the design mess. The PArks service believes in showing the building off, warts and all.

His"mountain top garden" so written up about as a marvel, is so located to be practically on top of bedrock because he had his slaves dig out a long wide terrace garden that required continuous amendment because it was built in the soil zone that was naturally depleted in nutrients . I have no idea of what he was thinking (or us when we just publish these "genius" tacts about Jefferson's native abilities).

Im not even gonna get into what he did to Adams reputation in Jefferson's bid for the presidency.