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MARK 16;,17-18, guess what?

 
 
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 09:57 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
How does one know that one is an atheist in good standing?
I don't have a membership card.
Was a club established, and nobody told me?


We are taking an online poll of the members.
It was sent to you, please check your Junk Mail File.
Yes. Nobody told you. Stick with that story.

Joe(and we have, as yet, not received your dues payment)Nation
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 10:05 am
@Joe Nation,
Joe Nation wrote:
(and we have, as yet, not received your dues payment)


I trust you're not holding your breath . . .
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 11:26 am
@Lustig Andrei,
LOL it also make it so must easier to take a statement out of content if you do not see the whole post.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 11:28 am
@BillRM,
context, bill.

I sure miss that girl that used to correct all your copy,

she wasn't paid enough.

not even close...
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 02:46 pm
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:

Just looked it up. His daddy died the same way, at the ripe ol age of 39. He was 44.
It's not just the handling of snakes, these idiots think the lord will save 'em once they've been bitten. Right, it ain't enough that god made snakes poisonous, now s/he's got to save them from their stupidity. And they bring their kids in tow..

So? Has anyone nominated either party for a Darwin Award?
http://www.darwinawards.com/
rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 02:51 pm
@tsarstepan,
tsarstepan wrote:
So? Has anyone nominated either party for a Darwin Award? http://www.darwinawards.com/

Shouldn't the Darwin Awards only apply to people who haven't reproduced before they died?
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 02:52 pm
@rosborne979,
Good point but you'll have to take it up with them.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 07:59 pm
I don't have it in for snakes, but I have an aversion to handling them, even worm snakes.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 09:46 pm
@edgarblythe,
they arent going to bury rev Mac, they are gonna make a bunch of belts out of his hide
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 31 May, 2012 11:10 pm
And there are far more weird miscreants who approve of adult relationships with children, but they're not as funny as snake handlers.

As a "Human Interest" thread this one one would not at all be objectionable save that it is clearly an attempt to relate the extreme's of Christianity to the norm.

Those crazy Christians!

farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2012 03:05 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Extreme practices or beliefs in any arena need to be inspected, IMHO. Just becasuse rev MAc is out there doesnt men that we make a choice to ignore and avert our eyes from the priests who fondle their altar boys or the NAMBLA crowd's parties (and I dont mean the NAtional Association of MArlon Brando Look-Alikes).

If these practices occur within a religion or outside of one doesnt matter to me. I feel that we are required to see what these aberrant practices are all about . (ow you may choose to believe that rev MAC wasnt involved in anything aberrant but thats where we differ).
Youre just being touchy and would rather I not have brought this up. Well, I dont share that feeling. Besides, I was in the area this weekend when it happened and it struck me as a slice of a past practice that has since mostly gone away (apparently not).
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2012 03:27 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Extreme practices or beliefs in any arena need to be inspected, IMHO. Just becasuse rev MAc is out there doesnt men that we make a choice to ignore and avert our eyes from the priests who fondle their altar boys or the NAMBLA crowd's parties (and I dont mean the NAtional Association of MArlon Brando Look-Alikes).

If these practices occur within a religion or outside of one doesnt matter to me
. I feel that we are required to see what these aberrant practices are all about. (ow you may choose to believe that rev MAC wasnt involved in anything aberrant but thats where we differ).
Youre just being touchy and would rather I not have brought this up. Well, I dont share that feeling. Besides, I was in the area this weekend when it happened and it struck me as a slice of a past practice that has since mostly gone away (apparently not).
By WHOM, r we "required" to do this, farmer??????
HOW did this requirement fall upon us??
What is the penalty
for refusal of this "requirement" ???





David
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2012 03:28 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
Extreme practices or beliefs in any arena need to be inspected, IMHO


Sorry but to me Farmerman the barrier for the government to interfere with adults should be very very high indeed and as long as men and women are being kills at the sea worlds by killer whales and the practice is not ban there is no reason in the world to ban snakes handlings.

Such a ban seems to be aim at the snake handlers because they are doing it for religious reasons that most people look down on including myself and that I have one hell of a problem with.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2012 04:40 am
@BillRM,
I think that your disagreement should be with West Virginia, not here. I underestand that another "feel good" bill, to ban the use of venomus or dangerous animals in religious ceremonies where the venomous animals are allowed free access to the attendees.

IF I were asked about my feelings, Id disagree with you Bill. Safety in all public venues should be a primary concern.

We , as Americans pay big bucks to gawk at guys driving old jalopies smashing into each other or smashing their vehicles into structures. This is a popular spectacle. In all cases, we do not allow the spectators free access into the tracks where the jalopies are driving around. This snakey stuff is sorta the same thing. (Of course the freedom or religious practice does add some extra spice to the snake handlers mission)
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2012 04:57 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
Safety in all public venues should be a primary concern.



An when an elephant with children on it back went wild and such rides was not ban afterward?

Give me a break this is an anti-religious/anti-cult law and little else.

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20112062,00.html

The 5 O'CLOCK PERFORMANCE WAS ABOUT TO BEGIN under the candy-stripe big top of the Great American Circus in Palm Bay, Fla., about 20 miles south of Cape Canaveral. Inside the tent, one of the preshow attractions—Kelly, a 27-year-old female Indian elephant—was busy at work, placidly ferrying circus patrons on a ride around the center ring. In Kelly's swaying howdah were Kathy Lawler, 37, two of her four children—Lauren, 8, and C.J., 3—and three other kids. It was a ride none of them would forget. "About two thirds of the way around the ring, Kelly smashed into a cage wall," says Lawler. "And I thought, 'Well, she's a little testy today. I'll be glad when this ride is over.' Then she backed off and hit it again."

Lawler and the five children were on board a nine-foot-tall, 8,000-lb. runaway elephant. Suddenly seized by a frightening rage, the usually gentle Kelly seemed hell-bent on battering down the cage enclosing the center ring. All efforts to pacify the frenzied animal only made matters worse. "The trainer was right there, and he started to poke Kelly," Lawler recalls. "And the elephant picked the trainer up and threw him about 20 feet. That was for starters."

Despite an announcer's plea to "remain calm," some of the 2,000 to 2,500 spectators began screaming and running from the big top. "The trainer came back in, and he screamed to me, 'Throw the kids off,' " Lawler says. "So I got ready to throw C.J. off, and I turned to my right, and somebody from the circus looked at me and yelled, 'Don't throw those kids off! There's nowhere to throw them!' They would have been trampled."

An attempt by a trainer to head off Kelly with Irene, another Indian elephant, failed. "She just knocked this other elephant out of the way and charged out [of the tent]," Lawler says. But not before Lawler was able to hand her son off to the trainer atop Irene.

At this point Cpl. Blayne Doyle, 40, a veteran of the Balm Bay Police Department, rushed up to the elephant. "She was trying to tip over a '70 or '71 [Chevrolet] Monte Carlo," he says. "She was very mad. She was shaking her head, banging into this car." As Lawyer dangled one of the remaining four children by the hands, Doyle reached up to try to grab the child's feet. Kelly put a stop to that. "The elephant reached around with her trunk, grabbed hold of me and just threw me," Doyle says. "I landed on my hands and knees."

Doyle courageously raced back to the side of the elephant, hoping to reach the child again. "This time the elephant grabbed me with her trunk from behind and pushed me down underneath her," Doyle says. "She crossed her legs and started squeezing her front feet together. In my lifetime, I've been shot, I've been stabbed, I've wrecked police cars, police motorcycles, I've been in an airplane crash. but I've never been as scared as I was underneath that elephant."

Luckily someone grabbed Doyle's feet as a circus worker distracted Kelly with an elephant training hook. As the officer took cover behind a Dumpster, Kathy Lawler and the four kids managed to slip off the elephant's back—either jumping to the ground or onto Irene.

About 10 minutes had passed, but the drama was far from over. Kelly drove her head through the side of a large commercial van, badly gashing her trunk on the torn metal. "Blood started to run out," Doyle says, "so I knew she was injured."

But Kelly was beyond pain—and beyond reason. She smashed the van's windshield and ripped off a door. "The circus general manager told me to shoot the elephant," Doyle says. "He kept saying. 'Shoot her, she's going to hurt somebody. Shoot her.' " Doyle hastily called police headquarters on his radio and got permission to kill the elephant "if it was a life-threatening situation."

Doyle decided to wait. Despite his own rough treatment by Kelly, he hoped to find a way to save her life. He asked for a tranquilizer gun. but none was available. Then Kelly sealed her own fate. "She turned around and took off, running back toward the circus tent, which was still full of all these people," says Doyle. He ran alongside the elephant, firing his 9mm Smith & Wesson semiautomatic pistol at her head. Two other officers began firing as well, but all the bullets had little effect. Kelly lumbered back into the tent, causing pandemonium. "Every-body was screaming and running." Doyle says.

Though Doyle kept shooting, the elephant bolted out of the tent once again, this time running toward spectators who were fleeing the scene. "It was like the parting of the seas," Doyle says. "She ran through the center with us chasing her." She sped around the tent right into the guns of police who had rushed to Doyle's aid after hearing an officer-in-trouble radio call. In a volley of gunfire, Kelly finally went down.

But she did not die. Doyle emptied his pistol into the side of her head "so she didn't have to lay there and suffer." Still, Kelly lingered. "She threw her head up in the air and her trunk, trying to grope at the ground, trying to gel up." Doyle says, finally a police firearms instructor used a rifle with special ammunition to put Kelly out of her misery. "I went over behind the wall and cried after this happened," Doyle says. "We had to destroy one of God's most beautiful creatures."

Kelly was the incident's only serious casualty. No one knows why she went berserk. A circus elephant running amok is virtually unheard of outside of the movies. "This is terribly rare," says an executive with a major circus. "It's the first one I can recall."

Even so, the Florida Game & Fresh Water Fish Commission filed charges against Great American last week. And the U.S. Department of Agriculture has launched a formal investigation into whether the circus failed to control its animals and protect the public. (Just last month, under prodding from the federal agency. Great American forked over a $1,500 fine for nine offenses, among them, "failing to handle animals...so there is a minimal risk of harm in to the animals and the public.")

As for Kelly, she received no funeral—though she had been a faithful servant of the Great American Circus, plodding in endless circles for more than 10 years. Covered by a tarpaulin, she was hauled off to a local landfill.

mismi
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2012 06:38 am
@DrewDad,
Quote:
I refuse to take any responsibility for Pete.

I will drink his sake, though.


I'll join you.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2012 08:32 am
@BillRM,
I too , never cared for the Chevy Monte Carlos.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2012 04:23 pm
@farmerman,
Isn't this about miracles? And, as such what did they proove? Nothing.. Father and Son now in Heaven cause the Rev wasn't the one God wanted to save after all.

In other words that's more than likely what will be said, or there would be no future services, as the miracle did not occur.

I wonder if the Son, whilst holding that snake thought of his Dad and what happened and "prayed" HE would be saved...I've heard of following your Father's footsteps but I also know of "lessons learnt" from your parents ..geez.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2012 04:24 pm
@FOUND SOUL,
"learning the lessons of history" sometimes skips a generation, or two.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jun, 2012 11:40 pm
@farmerman,
And yet you never seem to focus on any of the abberant practices that don't involve religion.

Your perogative of course, but your assumption that I am am "just being touchy" is a feeble dodge.

Snake-handlers are kooks, in my opinion, but you're hardly shining a light on something that has forever been in darkness.





 

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