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Theists, How well can you defend your beilief that God exists?

 
 
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 10:49 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
...well I should know better...but I am a sucker for pedagogy...1 decade more and my innocence will be cured...enjoy your day Spademan ! Wink
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 10:49 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
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The big symbolic defeat of the "Devil" goes precisely in realising that there is no devil or that the "devil" or "evil" are ultimately needed and good in the final order of things...thus conflict between order and chaos are finally resolved in what we usually call complex order...roughness...

Or by being totally separated....Forever....
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 11:15 am
@Fil Albuquerque,
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...well I should know better...but I am a sucker for pedagogy...1 decade more and my innocence will be cured...enjoy your day Spademan !

Thanks, you too! Funny how I spoke to you, the way you spoke to me, and you run off? Was I right? I think I was! Wink Thanks for calling me handicapped! Another ridiculous remark, BTW...Because you disagree, means I am ill, right? typical, predictable, and ridiculous...

Don't worry mate! It is not your fault....For you see, it is not that I am handicapped....It is that, I seem to attract, and I am followed around by people who suffer from a disability of "astute" And "perspicacious" thinking....When in reality....They know no more then the next guy or girl....I think, I am gonna go try to test this theory, I have, with science, to make sure it survives scrutiny! Wink Wink Wink Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Mr. Green Mr. Green 2 Cents
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 11:36 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
1 - I don't think you are handicapped...I think you are tenacious in your faith and thus willing to select your reasoning only when it confirms your beliefs...

2 - Don't confuse me with a wanna be intellectual when I naturally present my arguments in the most simplistic and casual manner...in fact I take pleaser in being the layman, the man next door...if you want intellectuals and serious people address Thomas, Setanta or the likes...

3 - I am not running out I just noticed you didn't present any counters to my initial posts back there...equally I don't believe this discussion can go anywhere further given you didn't care to read and reply accordingly...

4 - I respect whatever your position is, its yours, and I acknowledge you...you are entitled to have it for as long as you keep breathing and being...

Hope you have a nice life, see you around the corner Spade !
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 12:38 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
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1 - I don't think you are handicapped...I think you are tenacious in your faith and thus willing to select your reasoning only when it confirms your beliefs...

What did you mean by this? "Pedagogy"

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2 - Don't confuse me with a wanna be intellectual when I naturally present my arguments in the most simplistic and casual manner...

Telling me, for the third time, we have talked, And the only, 3 times we have ever talked...Something to the effect of, I will not be able to understand you...You are just wasting your time...Or you doubt I understood 10% of what you said...etc....Is exactly what you said, a wanna be intellectual...Or you would not have to say that...And it is not presenting it, in the most simplistic, and casual manner....It is a way, to try, to draw blood....When we don't even talk much, to ever....And the three times we did...You said something to that effect....So I happen to believe, you do that, to a lot on here....Am I wrong? I am sorry...


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in fact I take pleaser in being the layman, the man next door...if you want intellectuals and serious people address Thomas, Setanta or the likes...

No thanks, to either of the two....I do not mind Thomas, I have had many, many spats with Setanta...I do not care to discuss anything with him...He is ignoring me, and I am ignoring him....I am completely happy about it, too!

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3 - I am not running out I just noticed you didn't present any counters to my initial posts back there...

Did I have to post what you wanted me too? You did not answer me...What are your answers to what I said?

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equally I don't believe this discussion can go anywhere further given you didn't care to read and reply accordingly...

What is "accordingly"? Is there a way, I must reply to you? I said what I said, because that is what I felt....You do not have to answer this, if you do not want too...Just like, I do not have to answer you, "accordingly"

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4 - I respect whatever your position is, its yours, and I acknowledge you...you are entitled to have it for as long as you keep breathing and being...

Same to you...mate!

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Hope you have a nice life, see you around the corner Spade !

See ya! Have a nice life...
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 01:09 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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Telling me, for the third time, we have talked, And the only, 3 times we have ever talked...Something to the effect of, I will not be able to understand you...You are just wasting your time...Or you doubt I understood 10% of what you said...etc....Is exactly what you said, a wanna be intellectual...Or you would not have to say that...And it is not presenting it, in the most simplistic, and casual manner....It is a way, to try, to draw blood....When we don't even talk much, to ever....And the three times we did...You said something to that effect....So I happen to believe, you do that, to a lot on here....Am I wrong? I am sorry...


Really, and how does that make my arguments any more easy or difficult ?
The fact that I am under the impression that you might not understand me does not even present a case on your intellectual competence, as it may or it may not, as I managed already to explain you in my last post, so what ?

Do you think intellectual automatically means smart ? think again...

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What did you mean by this? "Pedagogy"


Check a dictionary !

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Did I have to post what you wanted me too? You did not answer me...What are your answers to what I said?


I am absolutely certain I answer your initial question quite well...still waiting for your reply to my answer...and no I don't want you to post anything besides your own reasoning to a straight remark I just did to you on why God creating itself would be impossible...where is your counter ? I presented my vision of a counter regarding God being a circumstantial being which you didn't like, so what's the logical alternative you have in mind ? That God create itself ? No ? So what ? Is it circumstantial after all ? well ? Again I really think you wont answer anything intelligible (counts 4 now ) prove me wrong !
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 03:06 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
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Really, and how does that make my arguments any more easy or difficult ?

Simple...Whether you feel justified, or not...If you speak to someone, that way...Anyone with any dignity, or self respect...Is not going to give you the time of day...In response...Whether they should, or should not...The only way, it is different, if you you were to tell me, you are testing people, to see how they react, and if they have, a form, of bias, to their own beliefs, and are unwilling to challenge them...Since I do not believe, that this is what you were doing...No one, who you talk to, like that, is gonna take you serious, if they have dignity, and self-respect...And they shouldn't...If you talk to them, that way....Then, you do not even deserve, their time...and effort...So I did, reply to you, before....

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The fact that I am under the impression that you might not understand me does not even present a case on your intellectual competence, as it may or it may not, as I managed already to explain you in my last post, so what ?

You're right! But it only means you "think" I am being more emotional, than rational...You did not explain anything...Other than what you thought was right, about me....But you still refuse to, ask me...And rather, tell me....That is why, I do not feel inclined, to play, this game....and answer you, seriously...If you are gonna act superior, and think it is justified, then when I call you out on it...You tell me, You could do it if you want...You are right...But any intelligent person...Is not even gonna waste their time...I am doing this, to be nice....Since I feel you were kinda, too me....

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Do you think intellectual automatically means smart ? think again...

No, But that is what I thought you meant by saying it...I must have been reading too fast, and made a mistake....

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Check a dictionary !

Sorry, I looked it up, before...I guess...I got the wrong word...It said something about relating to mentally sick people...I now see, it means the art of teaching...

So are you saying, that you can't refuse, the art of teaching to me? You have not taught me anything...In fact, with the way you have approached me...4 times now...Like I said before...And said above...Will only jade anyone, with any dignity, away from you...Whether you are right, and they are wrong...Or whether they are right, and you are wrong...It does not matter....The only way, it would work...Is if, you were testing someone...So honestly, were you doing that?

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I am absolutely certain I answer your initial question quite well...

You did...but none of the others...

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still waiting for your reply to my answer...

Here it comes!

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where is your counter ?

God always was...Is, and will be....If real...He never had to create himself...Or be created...Nor is he circumstantial...No one could possible know, where he came from...And if he created himself...Or if he did not...Or if he is a circumstantial being...Or not...That is my answer....To say what you think...Is a guess at best...For which, there is no evidence for...And never will be...Till we die, and meet him...Or it will never be found....

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I presented my vision of a counter regarding God being a circumstantial being which you didn't like, so what's the logical alternative you have in mind ? That God create itself ? No ? So what ? Is it circumstantial after all ? well ? Again I really think you wont answer anything intelligible (counts 4 now ) prove me wrong !

If you mean incidental, by circumstantial...The fact that good, and bad both balance of the limb of him...in order for things to co-exist...He is in no way circumstantial....If you mean dependent on circumstances....Again, if he is both Good, and evil...And things balance upon him....Then he clearly does not just show up, or come around...When we need him, to be....And he again, is not limited...We would need him, in order for things to be in balance, all the time....If you mean full of ceremonial display...Again, having both Good and bad balance upon him....Is in no way just for decorations....If you mean, complete, particular...Full of detail...

I would say that I agree....But not, if it is, both a God of Good, and bad.....

That would only work, with a God who always was...And is all the omnis...Whether, we "think" he is evil or wrong, or not....He must have a just reason...It is clearly, our own thinking, which justifies...What would be rational, circumstantial, good and bad, omnis, etc...Or else there is no such God....So, I reject your idea, of a 50/50 balance of good and bad....God...He MUST be pure....

And I am not about "proving" anyone wrong...I am here to learn, and teach...I could care less, about what I could prove to someone...I am a man, of leaps of faith, into the unknown...But known enough, to know it is there...I am not focused, on Earthly things...But Godly things....

Is this answer good enough for you...Now that I took you serious, since you took me serious?








Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 04:04 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
I appreciate you took some time and make an effort to reply to me to the best of your ability...I don't agree with what you said, but I respect your opinion...thank you and good evening Spade !
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Reply Tue 10 Jul, 2012 04:15 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Thanks for the sort-of compliment....And have a good night...

But I just want to ask you....Do you disagree with what I said up top, about jading people? Can you not see, you did it, yet again...By saying...I tried to do, the best of my ability...What is that supposed to mean? That my intelligence is lacking, right?

It is like, you still needed, to say something belittling, in there...Why?

Rather, than say nothing at all...? Or an I disagree...Or even everything you said...But without that chip...It was just not necessary...

That is not the best of my ability anyways...

That does not make you look smart...But dumb...Or arrogant...Though I really do not believe, you were even, trying to be...

Just my 2 Cents

Have a great night....
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