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Rufio, we know you can't see it.
You may think that knowledge is simply out of our reach, but I beleive that anyone can learn anything given the opportunity.
So please explain.
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Sorry for my sarcasm, Rufio. I sometimes tire of being required to "prove" something that is either intuitively grasped or not. I was saying that it has become obvious that you do not understand what we mean by dualism and non-dualism. You keep treating dualism as a property of the world (like some kind of pluralism) whereas we are repeatedly describing it is as an epistemological issue, a matter of how we think about the world. You have resisted, and I believe will continue to resist, the insight, to the point that I simply don't relish this struggle of attrition. And what is this attempt to brand me an "elitist" by describing my reference to YOU as a reference to a collectivity: "You may think that knowleldge is simply out of OUR reach"? That was a low blow.
Sorry but I'm observing this exchange with my normal suspicion that rufio merely wants to keep a conversation going. and the content is secondary.
rufio - for your benefit I repeat a comment of Heisenberg (THE watershed guy for problems of dualism in physics)
"What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning."
Now presumably you have come across the Heisenberg uncertainty principle in your coursework
or possibly its social science derivative (called "the personal equation") in which the actions of the observer affect the observed. This is the simplest introduction to the problems of dualistic thinking.
Failure to understand this basic epistemological concept would normally mean failing your course ...so I cannot understand how you can come up with comments like "anyone can learn anything...etc" unless you are merely going through the motions of debate with our most patient friend JLN.
I don't take physics and I don't take existentialism so I'm not likely to be failing any courses because the illogical doesn't makes sense to me, freso. Obviously, everything affects everything else, but I thought that anything involving an observer and something that is being observed would be dual by definition, no matter how much interaction exists between them.
JL, nothing is intuitively grasped, everything is learned except for very fundamental things which we all know. If this is one of those than I should know it already, and if it is not you should be able to show me what it is.
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That's the way you see it. Fine. I hope the two of you will be very happy.
Mind explaining? I'm happy to listen.
