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Does Adele Deserve all of her Grammies?

 
 
Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 10:38 pm
Album of the year, song of the year and record of the year???!!


Really? Shocked

Are the pickings really that slim or is this all about being sad that Amy Winehouse is gone and so we are voting up the second stringer Adele? I am thinking back to someone, I think it is the Simpsons, who had a multi year gag about how the Grammy statues are properly placed in a trash receptacle.
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 11:10 pm
@hawkeye10,
Will someone please explain why Adele isn’t completely boring?

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Top of the morning. I’m so pleased to be starting my day like this, chewing over an exceptionally tasty musical year with four of the smartest critics I know. As the poet said: Gotta have my bowl, gotta have cereal.
I was surprised by how much terrific music I heard in 2011 and doubly surprised by how much of it came in long-player form, on albums (and mix tapes) that demanded extensive close listening. Great records came from all corners of the pop universe. There was action wherever you looked: up on the throne, down in the underground, along the dirt road, and out on the wintry moor, where Kate Bush rematerialized, wrapped in a Gore-Tex parka with wizard’s staff in hand.
Here are my lists of favorite albums and songs. All the usual disclaimers apply: These lists are provisional and will likely change–maybe as soon as I decant a little caffeine into my brain. In any case:
Albums
tUnE-yArDs, w h o k i l l
Jay-Z/Kanye West, Watch the Throne
Miguel, All I Want Is You
Pistol Annies, Hell on Heels
Paul Simon, So Beautiful or So What
Patrick Stump, Soul Punk
Danny Brown, XXX
Eric Church, Chief
Frank Ocean, Nostalgia, Ultra
Britney Spears, Femme Fatale
Singles
Beyoncé, “Countdown”
Brad Paisley ft. Carrie Underwood, “Remind Me”
Miguel, “Sure Thing”
A$AP Rocky, “Peso”
Frank Ocean, “Novacane”
Jawan Harris ft. Tyga, “Keisha”
Jay-Z/Kanye West, “Niggas in Paris”
Lykke Li, “I Follow Rivers”
Eric Church, “Homeboy”
Beyoncé, “1+1”
Fountains of Wayne, “Richie and Ruben”
Katy Perry, “Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)”
Ashton Shepherd, “Where Country Grows”
T-Pain ft. Lily Allen and Wiz Khalifa, “5 O’Clock”
Kenny Chesney ft. Grace Potter, “You and Tequila”
Hot Chelle Rae, “Tonight Tonight”
Florence + The Machine, “Shake It Out”
Rick Ross, “I Love My Bitches”
Maroon 5 ft. Christina Aguilera, “Moves Like Jagger”
The Pierces, “You’ll Be Mine”
Not many eyebrow-raisers here, except maybe for Soul Punk, the extremely catchy and assured solo debut by ex-Fall Out Boy frontman Patrick Stump, who did more with a flaming Michael Jackson- and Prince-wannabe complex than anyone I’ve heard in a while. Another dark horse is Miguel’s All I Want Is You, which, if you want to get technical, dropped in November 2010. But Miguel was in heavy rotation on my iTunes in ’11, and his airy, insinuating, super-smooooove music—smooth like a polished marble floor is smooth, so smooth it’s slippery—was my favorite R&B in a year when R&B got really strange and exciting.
The top spots on my lists went to records that rocked me back with surprise. W h o k i l l, by tUnE-yArDs (aka Merrill Garbus), was the year’s great mind- and genre-bender, an indie rock album by a young woman from Connecticut that sounds like “world music” in the best sense—full of grooves and tunes that seem to take in, and take apart, half the music on earth. Then there’s Beyoncé’s “Countdown,” a song about how great it is to be married to Jay-Z whose jolting mash-up of hip-hop, old soul, dancehall, Afrobeat, and Vegas pizzazz was as weird and imaginative as anything on w h o k i l l. (Also, in a year full of ‘90s revivals, “Countdown” had the best one: that Boyz II Men sample!)
You’ll notice that Adele isn’t on my list. She bores me stiff. I hope someone here will explain to me why I should like her. In the meantime, a word about the sound of the year—and I don’t mean The Sax Solo or The Whistle. I’m talking about the callithumpian ruckus that rumbled out of Zuccotti Park. (Sorry, Rebecca Black: The star musical amateurs of 2011 were the hippies behind the human microphone and the drum circle.)
The discontent of the 99 percent was all over popular music in 2011, bubbling to the surface in some unexpected places. Am I wrong to detect traces of Great Recession malaise in the new R&B Casanovas—in the bleak atmospherics, brooding minor keys, and pained morning-after reckoning of Frank Ocean, the Weeknd, and that sad-sack superstar, Drake? Maybe that’s a stretch, but I know that the desperation I hear in big party-hearty dance-pop hits—“Keep on dancing till the world ends,” “Give me everything tonight/For all we know we might not get tomorrow,” “I’m on the edge of something final/We call life tonight,” “We found love in a hopeless place,” etc.—bears an uncanny resemblance to the dancing-at-the-edge-of-doom anthems that packed the Hit Parade in the 1930s.
Some songwriters minced no words. Here’s Merrill Garbus: “My country, 'tis of thee/ Sweet land of liberty/ How come I cannot see my future within your arms? .../ At the Salvation army making us all stand in a line/ While mommy and daddy make up and try to make up their minds …/ When they have nothing, why do you have something?” And Tom Waits: “How is it that the only ones responsible for making this mess/ Got their sorry asses stapled to a goddamned desk?” Country singers—attuned as always to middle-class lives and kitchen-table economics—brought the gory details into focus. I’ve never heard so many songs about struggling to make mortgage and car payments.
And then there’s the unlikeliest populist protest record of 2011. When Watch the Throne arrived in August, it was clear it represented a new, er, gold standard in blinged-out excess. It looked the part—the deluxe-edition CD came wrapped in embossed gold Mylar, like the wallpaper in Donald Trump’s water closet—and it sounded it, too, with rhymes that blared ultra-high-end brand names: Audemars Piguets, Gulfstreams, other, other Benzes.
But listen closer—in particular to Jay-Z, who dominates this album—and you hear more. Hova returns as always to his Horatio Alger saga—his bootstrapping climb from street corner drug dealer to “a business, man”—but the boasts are mixed with laments, with an awareness that he’s the exception that proves a harsh rule, and that the game is rigged against the poor, the black poor especially. “We ain’t even s’pose to be here,” he sneers in “Niggas in Paris.” In “Murder to Excellence,” he looks at his fellow 1 percenters and sees a sea of white faces: “Only spot a few blacks the higher I go/ What’s up to Will/ Shoutout to O/ That ain’t enough/ We gon’ need a million more/ Kick in the door.” And in a vivid 16 bars in “Made in America,” he rewrites “The Star-Spangled Banner” as a “scrambler”’ crack anthem. It’s a victory song for Jay, but the plaintive lurch in Frank Ocean’s chorus tells the real story: There are millions of scramblers out there and only one Jay-Z. In the real world—in the other, other America—there’s not nearly enough crack to rebalance the lopsided scales.
I have lots more I want to discuss: about a great year in hip-hop; about the artsy-fartsifying of the R&B slow jam; about indie rock-as-adult contemporary (hello, Nitsuh and Carl); about the greatness of Paul Simon; about the menace of Bon Iver; about Bachata stars and Norwegian pop wizards; about Gaga, Glee, Ricky Martin, and “gay music”; about why so many people hate Katy Perry. And, yes, about “Friday.”
But what kind of year did you guys hear? Take it away, Jonah.
Jody

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_music_club/features/2011/music_club_2011/best_music_2011_will_someone_please_explain_why_adele_isn_t_completely_boring_.html
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 12 Feb, 2012 11:11 pm
@hawkeye10,
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It occurs to me that the word “uncool” could also easily apply to Adele. Like every woman over size 6, she’s always being badgered about (and defined as “different”) in terms of her weight; really her average body is just one aspect of a persona that’s warmly bawdy and unflappably comfortable. I have to disagree, Jonah, that all she does on 21 is inhabit the past: That’s the job of her beehive hairdo, which has served its marketing purpose and, I hope, might soon be shelved.
Unlike Amy Winehouse, whom we have yet to eulogize, Adele doesn’t distort her own voice in an act of racial parody—she sounds English, she sounds young, and if her producers sometimes saddle her with the obligatory (if effective) diva choir, she never gesticulates as if she’s wearing a robe. I view her much more in the tradition of English belters that includes a few 1960s staples—Dusty Springfield, of course, and Petula Clark, but which really blossomed in the 1980s, through the careers of Annie Lennox, Alison Moyet, Lisa Stansfield, Caron Wheeler, and even Sade.
What these women share is a remarkable naturalness, even when crossing lines of genre and race—they’re conversational even when they’re hitting notes past the rafters. That quality creates a certain image, or really provides a route to communicating in a certain way: Singers like Adele make “ordinary” profound. Little details matter in their songs. Consider the first four lines of “Someone Like You.” Adele’s slightly behind-the-beat delivery of each line traces how the hope of reviving a love affair slips away in increments: I heard (I’m still listening for you) … that you’ve settled down (maybe you’re in a better place now) … that you ... found a girl (I can smile through the pain)… and you’re ... married now (that’s it, no hope). Adele breaks the last word into pieces, as if to make the bitter pill possible to swallow. It’s brilliantly executed and so familiar to anyone who’s been tossed out of love

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_music_club/features/2011/music_club_2011/best_music_2011_how_adele_makes_the_ordinary_profound_.html
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 12:37 am
@hawkeye10,
Good Lord, who cares?
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aidan
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 12:50 am
I like her voice and I like her melodies, but her songs seem very similar to one another and dirge-like.
In one of the workshops I go to to teach numeracy, the radio's tuned to one of the hit-playing stations over here and her songs are CONSTANTLY in rotation- you can't escape without hearing at least one of them and the other day I said, 'This girl can sing, but all her songs just make me want to weep! Is she ALWAYS being cast aside and sad?'
And one of the guys said, 'I know what you mean - if I have to hear this song one more time I'll jump out the window or slit my wrists. She's just sounds depressed and depressing.'

Again, she's got a definite sound and a great voice - but god - she's so young to be so freaking sad all the time. I just want to say to her, 'Lighten up -find something to smile about.'
I like music that makes me feel happy (in the main) or at least makes me think about something other than bereavement.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 01:14 am
@aidan,
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but her songs seem very similar to one another and dirge-like.


That and to my ear her voice is unremarkable...If I heard her singing in the shower and did not already know that that she is a singer I would not give her 5 seconds of notice.

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She's just sounds depressed and depressing.'
maybe this is like how the grunge bands got popular, everyone else is so produced and formulated that the Grammy voters periodically gravitate towards the most unattractive/depressing/uninspired-voices available??
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 07:04 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

That and to my ear her voice is unremarkable...If I heard her singing in the shower and did not already know that that she is a singer I would not give her 5 seconds of notice.

Obviously different people will like different things. I find her clear vocals very refreshing in pop music. You can see that when she sings acapella - her voice stands alone. I don't know many pop singers who can pull that off. Katy Perry just released an unplugged version of "The One That Got Away" and I can't help but cringe when I hear it although I like the full version of the song. Back to Adele, while I don't like the stalker vibe from "Someone Like You" I find the vocals very compelling and I really like "Rolling in the Deep", "Rumor Has It" and "Set Fire to the Rain".
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 08:38 am
@hawkeye10,
Who's Adele? What's a Grammy?
djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 08:47 am
@rosborne979,
exactly
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 09:02 am
@hawkeye10,
My personal feeling is yes. Everything she has delivered to us thus far has been enjoyable for me. She doesn't have the tin screechy voice which so many of the performers being churned out today have. A deep rich powerful voice, her voice actually creates vibrations when the sound exits the speakers.

Adele is still a new experience for us, so far a very pleasant experience. Time will tell if her career continues...for reasons aplenty, medical, talent, public interest, industry interest, etc. etc. Many past winners have disappeared never to be seen or heard from again. Sort of the same as non-award winners who manage 1 hit song on the charts and don't even break into the top 100 after that.

Similar happenings in the acting world where a film or stage actor has the superb and stunning performance; then, they are lost forever, until they start pushing reverse mortgages or hair tonics in television commercials.

She won them, good for her.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 10:47 am
@Sturgis,
Yes.

Joe(what Sturgis said)Nation
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 11:22 am
@Joe Nation,
Interesting...while I like "rolling in the deep" I dont feel that either the song, the delivery or the video are spectacular, and I cant stand much of anything else that i have heard from her. I dont get the appeal, liking Adele as much as the Grammy voters do feels like slumming it to me.....
Mame
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 11:51 pm
@hawkeye10,
Who cares? I can't stand Maria Muldaur and Gino Vanelli (or however you spell that), but they seemed to have a career.

She's not to your taste - we get it. Let it go. Get on with your own life.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 13 Feb, 2012 11:56 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:

Who cares? I can't stand Maria Muldaur and Gino Vanelli (or however you spell that), but they seemed to have a career.

She's not to your taste - we get it. Let it go. Get on with your own life.


If you dont care about the question then go spend your time in the other threads.... And dont lecture me on what interests me, bitch.

In other words, stay in your own lane....this is my life, not yours.
Mame
 
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Reply Tue 14 Feb, 2012 12:08 am
@hawkeye10,
You post it on an open forum, you should be up for what comes your way, idiot. Get a life already.
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