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Social Media Exchanges and Teacher/Student Boundaries

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 05:49 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
In order to make children safer only electronic private communications should be allowed never in persons meetings!


This nonsensical rubbish is typical of the crap you post. Have you any idea what you mean Mr. Wordsalad?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 06:02 pm
@izzythepush,

BillRM wrote:
In order to make children safer only electronic private communications should be allowed never in persons meetings!
izzythepush wrote:
This nonsensical rubbish is typical of the crap you post.
Have you any idea what you mean Mr. Wordsalad?
Shud thay be required to wear bulletproof clothing n helmets ?





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 06:58 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
That's as good an interpretation as any.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2011 06:19 am
@OmSigDAVID,
David I am just following the crazy logic that we should assume that all adults are child molesters and take safe guards accordingly.

Come to think about it teachers are a very very minor source for sexual abused of children where inside the family abuse is the major source so logic would seem to indicate that we should placed safe guards into place against family abuse.

For example the state should have all children look at by abused experts yearly in order to detect family abuse occurring.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2011 06:31 am
@BillRM,
Nobody does follow that crazy logic, but it suits you to portray it as such. Paedophile is a common insult amongst a certain type of adolescent, as a teacher, an unfounded allegation of child abuse can ruin a career, therefore it's sensible to adopt certain procedures. What you're advocating helps only the paedophile, not the vast majority of decent teachers.

You may use your rose tinted spectacles when gazing at the past, but the reality is that there were many cases of abuse, that are only starting to be tackled now, as adults start to confront the abuse they suffered as children. You like to rant and rave about the wrongs Christianity has inflicted upon the world, but you're very quiet about paedophile priests. Is that the one aspect of Christianity you approve of?
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2011 06:56 am
@izzythepush,
Yet Firefly had no problem with private meetings on school grounds where the danger of harm is a few thousands time greater then a private email.

Sorry but email and facebook messages are only private until someone get a court order that state otherwise but a private face to face meeting placed a teacher in a hell of a bad position as it is now the word of the teacher against the student and there is no way for the teacher to clear his or her name completely.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2011 09:41 am
@BillRM,
Don't be ridiculous, meeting after school is totally different, you never tend to be alone with one child, but in a group, and it's professional. Why are you bothered anyway? No teacher I know is remotely interested in your advice. You just want to help paedophiles, you couldn't give a **** about the professional standards, and reputation of teachers.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2011 09:51 am
@izzythepush,
Sorry but once more we are talking about private meetings to discuss matters that related to his or her grades or requesting extra help and so on.

None of the business of his or her classmates however relating to school matters not sexual matters.

Firefly had already admitted that such meetings and or private communications are call for from time to time however for some strange reason it is her opinion that those meetings should be held on school grounds instead of by electronic means that leave records of what had occur.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2011 10:01 am
@BillRM,
Private meetingsd on the rare occasions that they have to happen, and it's very rare, can be conducted within earshot of another teacher. It is completely different from developing a non-professional relationship with a pupil on social media.
BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 23 Dec, 2011 04:23 pm
@izzythepush,
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can be conducted within earshot of another teacher. It


That is hardly a private meeting!!!!!!!!!

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It is completely different from developing a non-professional relationship with a pupil on social media


An in the very rare case that happening there will be records of it occurring but not in a private meating where such relationship is just and likely or far more likely to occur.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2011 07:39 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
That is hardly a private meeting!!!!!!!!!


Private enough, you can always talk quietly. In the event you need to talk to a child about a non-academic issue, you will have spoken to your colleagues about it anyway. Children do develop crushes on their teachers, and as the adult you need to be aware of this, that's why there are procedures and boundaries set up to protect the teacher from false allegations.

You don't seem to be concerned with protection the reputation of teachers. As you consider it normal to go into the park with a box of kittens to meet children, you want your behaviour to appear normal. It's not.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2011 08:39 am
@izzythepush,
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You don't seem to be concerned with protection the reputation of teachers


Reputation of teachers is far better protected by having records of any interactions with students if any questions happen to occur.

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As you consider it normal to go into the park with a box of kittens to meet children, you want your behaviour to appear normal. It's not.


Sorry but innocent people do not always thinks ahead of time how those who view mankind , with a special note of the word man in the word mankind, as evil will look at such things as trying to find homes for kittens in a park.

In any case, I am very proud of myself that I did go through one hell of a lot of time and trouble and in the end did find good homes for those kittens.

Those kittens thanks to their mother showing up at my doorstep are far more likely to have long and loving lives then the short and brutal lives of ownerless stay cats.

The Fireflies of the world will not rest well until they get all males look at as either rapists/ child molesters or would be rapists and child molesters only barely held in check by laws.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2011 09:10 am
@BillRM,
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The Fireflies of the world will not rest well until they get all males look at as either rapists/ child molesters or would be rapists and child molesters only barely held in check by laws.



Complete rubbish, you're paranoid because you've got something to hide.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2011 09:20 am
@izzythepush,
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Complete rubbish, you're paranoid because you've got something to hide.


No question about Firefly and her goals.

She had done her very best to hid such informations that reported rapes are at a 33 years low and support nonsense studies that for example claimed that 30 percents of all female colleges students had been victims of sexual assaults during their four years at college.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2011 09:32 am
@izzythepush,
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Private meetingsd on the rare occasions that they have to happen, and it's very rare, can be conducted within earshot of another teacher. It is completely different from developing a non-professional relationship with a pupil on social media.

BillRM completely missed the point of the article in the opening post, and consequently, the reason for this thread. And, no matter how many times it is repeated to him, he still doesn't get it.
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Faced with scandals and complaints involving teachers who misuse social media, school districts across the country are imposing strict new guidelines that ban private conversations between teachers and their students on cellphones and online platforms like Facebook and Twitter.

The policies come as educators deal with a wide range of new problems. Some teachers have set poor examples by posting lurid comments or photographs involving sex or alcohol on social media sites. Some have had inappropriate contact with students that blur the teacher-student boundary. In extreme cases, teachers and coaches have been jailed on sexual abuse and assault charges after having relationships with students that, law enforcement officials say, began with electronic communication.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/18/business/media/rules-to-limit-how-teachers-and-students-interact-online.html?hpw


The concern in that article is not about teachers who might already be pedophiles using social media and electronic communications as an additional way of seducing students into inappropriate relationships--although that seems to be how BillRM is looking at it. That's why he foolishly says things like it's safer to have the teacher communicate by electronic means than in face to face contact with students in school. If that teacher is really a pedophile, it wouldn't be safe to have him/her around students, or communicating with students in any way, period.

But, the topic really isn't about pedophile teachers, it's more about how the social media and electronic communications, by their very nature, can lure some teachers into inappropriately social relationships with students and how this might, in some instances, mushroom out of bounds, and out of control. Because the social media sites already encourage a certain amount of exhibitionism, and already blur the distinctions between the personal and the private, they might become a mine field for a teacher who indiscreetly posts private information about themselves a student might view, or who becomes overly chummy with students on a Facebook page and blurs professional boundaries with students.

These things are real concerns for the teachers who see benefits in using the social media, but also realize the need for guidelines and rules to prevent harm to anyone, including themselves. BillRM is ignoring the fact that the impetus for these rules is coming from the teachers and school districts--they want, not just their students, but the professionalism of teaching protected. Fashioning rules for social media use by teachers is not unlike setting speed limits for traffic, in both instances the goal would be to try to prevent unfortunate and unnecessary reckless accidents, things that were unintended, but could wind up causing harm.

Since BillRM seems unaware of the dynamics of social media use, as well as how public school teachers currently use the social media, his comments, as usual, are out in left field and quite off the mark of the topic. And the fact that he disregards your experiences and comments, as a teacher, highlights the fact that he isn't interested in learning anything either.






firefly
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2011 09:49 am
@BillRM,
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The Fireflies of the world will not rest well until they get all males look at as either rapists/ child molesters or would be rapists and child molesters only barely held in check by laws.

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No question about Firefly and her goals.

She had done her very best to hid such informations that reported rapes are at a 33 years low and support nonsense studies that for example claimed that 30 percents of all female colleges students had been victims of sexual assaults during their four years at college.

Plain and simple, you are really nuts.

There is not a single word of truth in those comments, but, if you believe those statements to be true, your ability to correctly comprehend what you read is on a par with your lack of ability to express yourself in comprehensible English.

Your personal obsession with me is bizarre.

I agree with izzy that, "you're paranoid because you've got something to hide"--you cheerfully give helpful info to pedophiles on how to encrypt and hide the child porn on their computers, and, even in this thread, you are talking about how it's safer for pedophile teachers not to use electronic communications if they want to conceal their activities. That you seem to consistently view issues from the perspective of a pedophile is very revealing.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2011 10:20 am
@firefly,
Bill has a monochromatic way of viewing things, he can only see things in a particular way, and will argue from that point of view. There is no understanding of nuance, and anthing that challenges his prejudices goes right over his head. He cannot distinguish between a man hater and a paedophile/rapist hater, which says it all.

He constantly tries to portray you as a man-hating, frothing at the mouth, radical feminist, because that is all he can argue against. If he were to examine his own prejudices he would probably have another stroke.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2011 10:31 am
@izzythepush,
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Complete rubbish, you're paranoid because you've got something to hide.


Oh Izzy as far as something to hide take note that the only major poster who had told us zero and I mean zero about herself is Firefly.

The only one hiding her whole life history is Firefly.
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2011 10:47 am
@BillRM,
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Oh Izzy as far as something to hide take note that the only major poster who had told us zero and I mean zero about herself is Firefly.

The only one hiding her whole life history is Firefly.

I have made 29,176 posts on A2K and I've revealed quite a bit about myself that apparently you've missed.

But, I must say, you are the only poster at A2K who has ever demanded of me, or anyone else, my complete family/marital history, my complete educational history, and my complete work/employment history. To say that you are unbelievably intrusive and snoopy is a mild understatement. Laughing You are just plain nuts! And your obsession with me is bizarre.

Get a life!
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 24 Dec, 2011 01:17 pm
@firefly,
Sorry my lying friend but there is no way I could had missed at most one or two of your fine postings.

You had reveal zero about yourself unlike every other major posters on this system and that fact stand out in bold letters.

Nothing about your education, nothing about your career, nothing about your family and marriages if any.

It is amusing to have someone who had reveal zero about herself spinning personal attacks on others using the facts that they had been open about on this website.

Ok at least we all know you are a liar as that fact at least you have been more then willing to reveal about yourself.



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