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Social Media Exchanges and Teacher/Student Boundaries

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 10:18 am
@BillRM,
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I am honor that you think that I am such a threat to your selling your nonsense you would keep going to the trouble of creating postings that contain no other content.

You seem to have marked difficulty understanding the content of posts.

For instance, you missed this point of mine entirely...
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You also overlook the fact that teachers want to protect themselves as well as their students. It is the educators themselves who are the ones addressing and tackling this issue.

And, as Dr. Charol Shakeshaft pointed out in that article, teachers can keep their communications with students open, transparent, and safe.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 10:26 am

On the subject of these boundaries,
a large difference shoud be made regarding gender.
Whereas obviously MALE teachers shoud be restrained as thay r,
there is no reason to impose restraints upon female teachers.

Assuming that a female teacher is in a state of good health,
no harm comes from any relationship that she might have
with younger male students. It is obvious that thay can take care of themselves.





David
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 10:38 am
@OmSigDAVID,
I don't use social media either Dave.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 10:40 am
@OmSigDAVID,
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Whereas obviously MALE teachers shoud be restrained as thay r,
there is no reason to impose restraints upon female teachers.

That's not true, David.

Female teachers have become involved in inappropriate relationships with young teenage males--even if you do not consider such relationships harmful, others, including legislators and law enforcement, do regard them as harmful.

And female teachers can become inappropriately involved with female students. This is a current case in the news. The teacher took inappropriate photos of her third grade students, and she used Skype to have them video chat with another pedophile via computer.
http://www.news-star.com/news/x795106199/Former-McLoud-teacher-Uncle-G-charged-in-child-porn-case
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 11:26 am
@firefly,
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And, as Dr. Charol Shakeshaft pointed out in that article, teachers can keep their communications with students open, transparent, and safe.


Seems we had gone beyond safe sex to safe communications!!!!!

In any case, due to the witch hunt mentality that people like you are you busy creating that there are witches oh sorry pedophiles hiding behind every school locker teachers are nerves about being wrongly charge however increasing the fear is not going to be helpful in that regards either.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 11:33 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
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And, as Dr. Charol Shakeshaft pointed out in that article, teachers can keep their communications with students open, transparent, and safe.


Seems we had gone beyond safe sex to safe communications!!!!!

In any case, due to the witch hunt mentality that people like you are you busy creating that there are witches oh sorry pedophiles hiding behind every school locker teachers are nerves about being wrongly charge however increasing the fear is not going to be helpful in that regards either.
I can conceive of a student wishing to confide private information to a teacher,
not to be broadcast to the World
nor to any Tom, Dick or Harry who is spying.





David
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 11:37 am
@BillRM,
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In any case, due to the witch hunt mentality that people like you are you busy creating that there are witches oh sorry pedophiles hiding behind every school locker teachers are nerves about being wrongly charge...

Sorry to disappoint you, neither I, nor anyone else, is creating a "witch hunt mentality".
This is a real concern for teachers and school boards because of actual incidents which have occurred.
And it is the teachers and school boards themselves who have raised and addressed the issue. They are the ones who want clear rules in place.
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The New York Times
December 17, 2011
Rules to Stop Pupil and Teacher From Getting Too Social Online
By JENNIFER PRESTON

Faced with scandals and complaints involving teachers who misuse social media, school districts across the country are imposing strict new guidelines that ban private conversations between teachers and their students on cellphones and online platforms like Facebook and Twitter.

The policies come as educators deal with a wide range of new problems. Some teachers have set poor examples by posting lurid comments or photographs involving sex or alcohol on social media sites. Some have had inappropriate contact with students that blur the teacher-student boundary. In extreme cases, teachers and coaches have been jailed on sexual abuse and assault charges after having relationships with students that, law enforcement officials say, began with electronic communication.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/18/business/media/rules-to-limit-how-teachers-and-students-interact-online.html?_r=1&hpw[/images]
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 12:02 pm
@firefly,
Bill is such a ******* moron. I don't know any teachers who want to talk to their pupils on anything other than official school channels. As a teacher you want to protect yourself. Bill wants to make innocent people look guilty, so the guilty can pass unnoticed. I don't need to ask why.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 12:41 pm
@izzythepush,
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I don't know any teachers who want to talk to their pupils on anything other than official school channels. As a teacher you want to protect yourself. Bill wants to make innocent people look guilty, so the guilty can pass unnoticed.

BillRM also conveniently ignores the fact that there are some teachers who do engage in inappropriate communications with students--that's part of his denial "so the guilty can pass unnoticed".
This story was in today's paper. He was caught when he sent inappropriate text messages to a 13 year old student.
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Jamestown teacher facing charges involving sexual activity with children
Dec 21, 2011

JAMESTOWN, PA - A Jamestown teacher is in custody facing charges involving sexual activity with children.

28-year-old Kevin DeFrancesco of Greenville is charged with multiple counts of unlawful conduct with a minor, child pornography, sexual abuse of children, indecent exposure, and open lewdness.

The investigation began when school officials reported that a 13-year-old girl had received inappropriate text messages from a teacher. A second alleged victim has since been identified.
http://www.wfmj.com/story/16369529/jamestown-teacher-facing-charges-involving-sexual-activity-with-children


BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 12:47 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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I can conceive of a student wishing to confide private information to a teacher,
not to be broadcast to the World
nor to any Tom, Dick or Harry who is spying.


Of course grading issues and request for extra help come to mind at once.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 12:51 pm
@izzythepush,
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Bill is such a ******* moron. I don't know any teachers who want to talk to their pupils on anything other than official school channels. As a teacher you want to protect yourself. Bill wants to make innocent people look guilty, so the guilty can pass unnoticed. I don't need to ask why.


Sorry I do not know how it was in merry old england but the idea that any teacher would be fearful of talking in private to a student is a very new concept in the US.

It surely did not exist in my days at school.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 12:52 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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I can conceive of a student wishing to confide private information to a teacher,
not to be broadcast to the World
nor to any Tom, Dick or Harry who is spying.

That's why students can meet with teachers privately, after class, in school.

Teachers and students spoke to each other long before the electronic social media came along. They can still speak to each other in school.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 12:57 pm
@firefly,
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BillRM also conveniently ignores the fact that there are some teachers who do engage in inappropriate communications with students--that's part of his denial "so the guilty can pass unnoticed".
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An of course they will not do so if it break rules as they will be willing to break the laws against sexual relationships with minors but not school rules.

The only thing such rules will do is to interfere with the vast vast vast numbers of teachers doing their jobs and I do not know of too many students who would enjoy talking about grading and the need for extra help and similar tropics where all can see.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 12:59 pm
@firefly,
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That's why students can meet with teachers privately, after class, in school.


So a text message or email is a danger to a student but not an in person private meeting!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you lost your mind completely???????
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 01:00 pm
@firefly,
DAVID wrote:
Whereas obviously MALE teachers shoud be restrained as thay r,
there is no reason to impose restraints upon female teachers.
firefly wrote:
That's not true, David.

Female teachers have become involved in inappropriate relationships with young teenage males--even if you do not consider such relationships harmful, others, including legislators and law enforcement, do regard them as harmful.

And female teachers can become inappropriately involved with female students. This is a current case in the news. The teacher took inappropriate photos of her third grade students, and she used Skype to have them video chat with another pedophile via computer.
http://www.news-star.com/news/x795106199/Former-McLoud-teacher-Uncle-G-charged-in-child-porn-case
I must say that I was very, very surprized in reading your link.
Hidden cameras INDEED! What will people think of next!?

I believe that we will all agree that girls
need n shoud receive protection from anyone.
(If we remember Andrea Yates, including parents.)
However, this shoud not extend to infringing upon the freedom of the boys.
It is not at all likely that more than a few Americans will "get lucky"
with Miss Stonebreaker, but we need to be vigilant to curtail
the intrusion of government into the lives of the citizens
(not referring to girls) as much as possible.

Firefly wrote:
Female teachers have become involved in inappropriate relationships
with young teenage males--even if you do not consider such
relationships harmful, others, including legislators and law
enforcement, do regard them as harmful.
Thay are a danger to the freedom of the citizens
and therefore, we need to be wary of their intrusiveness,
to curtail ourselves from it. We need to rid government of anti-freedom people like that.

The will of the citizen himself, the student, shoud prevail
not the will of the police. We citizens do not live our lives
for the benefit of the police, nor for their personal approval.

Thay work for US.
WE don't work for them.





David
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liton102
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 01:08 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
this is not fair at all.

http://www.thefreeiqtest.com/
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 01:18 pm
@BillRM,
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So a text message or email is a danger to a student but not an in person private meeting!!!!!!!!!!!

Duh. Electronic communications between teachers and students, particularly those using social media, are the issue in this thread.

People are not questioning the appropriateness of a teacher meeting with a student on school property to discuss school-related matters. Such meetings have always gone on, and will continue to go on.

Most of the inappropriate relationships, that teachers and school boards are now responding to, began with use of electronic communications. That's why school boards and teachers are now trying to establish rules and guidelines for the use of such types of communications.

Geeez, you sound like you don't trust teachers at all. Rolling Eyes
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The only thing such rules will do is to interfere with the vast vast vast numbers of teachers doing their jobs

Not according to the teachers--they are the ones addressing the issue, they want some rules in place. A public school teacher's job mainly takes place in a classroom.
And the two teachers who have posted in this thread have said there is no reason for private electronic communications with students--but you're ignoring those opinions too.

Since you're not a public school teacher, how do you actually know that having rules governing electronic communications with students will interfere with the "vast vast vast numbers of teachers doing their jobs"? What's your source of information?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 01:20 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
That's why students can meet with teachers privately, after class, in school.
BillRM wrote:
So a text message or email is a danger to a student but not an in person private meeting!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you lost your mind completely???????
Let the record show that when I was a student,
I had private meetings with teachers & professors 1ce in a while,
but I never felt threatened. ( maybe, if I were better looking ?? )





David
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 01:39 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
Sorry I do not know how it was in merry old england


Resorting to crude styereotying because you can't think of an answer Bill? That's Altzheimer's for you.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 22 Dec, 2011 03:39 pm
@firefly,
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Duh. Electronic communications between teachers and students, particularly those using social media, are the issue in this thread.

People are not questioning the appropriateness of a teacher meeting with a student on school property to discuss school-related matters. Such meetings have always gone on, and will continue to go on.


You not all that bright woman just because a mode of communication use new technology and have computers somewhere in them does not mean that they loan themselves to more abused then the good old ways of communicating!!!!!!

Emails for examples leaved all kinds of tracks and copies so if you are planning on doing something highly illegal like sexuality seducing a minor it is hardly the best method and the same go for most other electronic means.

Good old face to face private talks in or out of school where no records are kept and at best or worst it is one person word against the other as to what was said and what occur is far better.

Plus body language ETC came into play in person to person meetings.

It seems Firefly that you had acknowledge that you can not ban all private communication between teachers and students and given that electronic communication is far better at reducing risks then face to face meetings the logical conclusion is ………..

In order to make children safer only electronic private communications should be allowed never in persons meetings!
 

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