Why do you suppose Jesus never condemned slavery?

Try to undertand my point of view for a moment. The entire world fell into the hands of Satan in Genesis 3. The ENTIRE world. Evrything that has transpired since has been to his accomodation until such time that God has purposed to set things straight.

No doubt you or I would have, acting out of our own quality of empathy, relieved the world of its troubles long ago. But that would only be because, as Jeremiah noted, "it does not belong to man who is walking to direct his own step." (I'll find the citation for you later. Hard to do on my phone. 10:23, I think) We just are not in a position to undrstand all the issues.

Don't believe Romeo when he tells you there is no hope in the resurrection for those who, never knowing God, lived and died in pain. Jehovah's very name is a promise to those who hope only to live the peaceful life he promised to the first human pair. He truly is the God "who causes to become".

Stay strong, my friend. I hope to see you yet.

The entire world fell into the hands of Satan in Genesis 3. The ENTIRE world. Evrything that has transpired since has been to his accomodation until such time that God has purposed to set things straight.

Frank Apisa said: He is a nasty son-of-a-bitch...who makes the likes of Al Capone or Saddam Hussein seem relatively benign, Romeo.

He gave us all free will, Frank.
It must have pained him greatly when the 'serpent' chose that exact time to rebel. But, of course, that was opportune for the rebel.
I suspect he thought to have Jehovah between the proverbial rock and hard place. If he destroyed the rebels outright, so much for the name that means "he who causes to become". If he pardoned the rebels, so much for his sovereignty and standard of justice

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Frank Apisa said: He is a nasty son-of-a-bitch...who makes the likes of Al Capone or Saddam Hussein seem relatively benign, Romeo.

Nah mate, if God was nasty he'd cull out murderers, thieves, perverts, liars etc right NOW, instead of waiting for judgement day!

See, every time they wake up in the morning they should thank God for giving them another chance to come to their senses and turn to him before J-day..

Frank Apisa said: He did the equivalent of a parent who would place a couple of three or four year olds into a room filled with bottles of Kerosene and dozens of boxes of matches and other fire making equipment...and tell them...play with all the toys, but do not play with the bottles of Kerosene or the matches.

Romeo proclaimed: if God was nasty he'd cull out murderers, thieves, perverts, liars etc right NOW, instead of waiting for judgement day!
Frank Apisa replied: No he wouldn't...he would allow them to exist among us so he could enjoy watching them screw up the world. That is what an insane, nasty son-of-a-bitch would do.
What makes you think a nasty son-of-a-bitch would do the right thing???

I think slavery should come back

LeighAnneNicolson wrote:

I think slavery should come back

You're welcome to become my slave.

He did the equivalent of a parent who would place a couple of three or four year olds into a room filled with bottles of Kerosene and dozens of boxes of matches and other fire making equipment...and tell them...play with all the toys, but do not play with the bottles of Kerosene or the matches.

He denied them the ability to know right from wrong...good from evil...and then punished them for doing wrong or evil.

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He did the equivalent of a parent who would place a couple of three or four year olds into a room filled with bottles of Kerosene and dozens of boxes of matches and other fire making equipment...and tell them...play with all the toys, but do not play with the bottles of Kerosene or the matches.

He denied them the ability to know right from wrong...good from evil...and then punished them for doing wrong or evil.

That is the usual POV on the story, even by 'believers'.

But if you look at it objectively, he gave them access to the dangerous (but very useful) stuff with the admonition that it was incredibly dangerous, especially given their total lack of experience. As promised, it could even cause death. Maybe start with the other stuff first was a good idea, get to know your world first.



But Clearly, he did not deny them access to knowing right from wrong and it doesn’t take a genius to conclude that he wanted them to have it, even knowing the long shitty road that awaited them. And he wanted even that to be their choice. It wasn’t punishment, just the natural consequences of learning who and what we are.

The problem I have with the story is that it forms the basis for Christianity's need for "redemption."

Without it, there really is not general need for it...which, of course, calls into question the need for the "Christ sacrifice" thing...which is an essential to Christianity.

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The problem I have with the story is that it forms the basis for Christianity's need for "redemption."

Without it, there really is not general need for it...which, of course, calls into question the need for the "Christ sacrifice" thing...which is an essential to Christianity.

Why don't you think there is a need for redemption? You don't think humans are sinful? You think they're all good except for the bad ones?

Leadfoot, allow me to start by mentioning that I suspect the entire story is just a creation myth...and I am not totally sure what the people who invented the myth were trying to convey. But they did a poor job in their attempt.

The problem I have with the story is that it forms the basis for Christianity's need for "redemption."

Without it, there really is not general need for it...which, of course, calls into question the need for the "Christ sacrifice" thing...which is an essential to Christianity.

Anyway...thanks for commenting. This thread has been dormant for 4 years.

I did not say there is no need for redemption. I said "without the story" there is no need for redemption.

The notion that "Christ died for our sins"...really is about Christ dying for the sins of Adam and Eve...sins that Christians have asserted pass down to all of humanity.

"The story"...what I consider "the myth"...is needed for redemption to be necessary.

As for you direct question, "You don't think humans are sinful?"...well...if a sin is defined as something a human does that offends a god...

...then, no, I am not convinced that ANY humans are sinful. Is there a god that can be "offended?"

I do not know. If there isn't...then no one is sinful. If there is and the god is not easily offended...there may still be no one who is sinful.

The myth...in all its phases...is the determinant, Lava.