57
   

Why do you suppose Jesus never condemned slavery?

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Mon 29 Jul, 2013 05:53 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

I don't think Python even slightly funny. Tragic more like. The famous parrot sketch is straight out of Roget. They probably had to copy it out longhand in those days whereas we just cut and paste.

Obarmy is funny. The cops smashing vice rings is funny. You keep paying for it I mean on account of being so shocked that such things are allowed to happen like the good little Christian boys you are.


If you truly find Python not even slightly funny...why do you continue channelling them?
0 Replies
 
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Mon 29 Jul, 2013 05:53 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Jesus didn't give a flying **** about slavery.


You have no idea of what Jesus gave a flying **** about.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Mon 29 Jul, 2013 05:54 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Stop digging...and stop babbling, Spendius.

Don't become any more a laughing stock than you are already.
Logicus
 
  0  
Reply Mon 29 Jul, 2013 10:48 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Ouch. Even my limited empathy did not prepare me for that.
0 Replies
 
carlosc2dbz
 
  2  
Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 11:41 am
@Frank Apisa,
Slavery was likely a varient of employment back then. There were diffrent social levels, with slaves being at the bottom. Think about it, we still have slaves, they work for 8 dollars an hour. Their employer does not have to house them or take care of their medical needs but does give them money for them to be able to do that. Society puts them in debt giving them cridit cards, and they have to work for the rest of their lives. If they stop working for the most part they will lose thier shelter and not be able to eat. Still slaves in my opinion. Similar to the slaves back then, but back then instead of cash, they got food, shelter and clothing.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 12:29 pm
@carlosc2dbz,
carlosc2dbz wrote:

Slavery was likely a varient of employment back then. There were diffrent social levels, with slaves being at the bottom. Think about it, we still have slaves, they work for 8 dollars an hour. Their employer does not have to house them or take care of their medical needs but does give them money for them to be able to do that. Society puts them in debt giving them cridit cards, and they have to work for the rest of their lives. If they stop working for the most part they will lose thier shelter and not be able to eat. Still slaves in my opinion. Similar to the slaves back then, but back then instead of cash, they got food, shelter and clothing.


Thank you. You are probably correct.

Now a question for you:

Why do you suppose Jesus never condemned slavery?
carlosc2dbz
 
  1  
Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2013 08:55 pm
@Frank Apisa,
because it would be the equivalent of condemning minimum wage workers. It just wouldn't make sense. Slavery or minimum wage jobs are and were part of society.

Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 03:27 am
@carlosc2dbz,
carlosc2dbz wrote:

because it would be the equivalent of condemning minimum wage workers. It just wouldn't make sense. Slavery or minimum wage jobs are and were part of society.




Can a person who is a "minimum wage worker's" kids be sold to someone else? Can a "minimum wage worker's" husband be sold to someone else? Can a "minimum wage worker" be compelled to eat what his employer wants him to eat; live where his employer wants him to live?

Stop with the minimum wage worker nonsense...because slavery had a hell of a lot more to do with conditions and issues that had absolutely nothing to do with how much money was being made.

In any case, you essentially are saying that Jesus never condemned slavery because he thought there was nothing wrong with it...that it was a necessity.

Makes one wonder why the Hebrews made such a big deal out of "escaping" from slavery in Egypt.
neologist
 
  1  
Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 11:31 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
. . . .Makes one wonder why the Hebrews made such a big deal out of "escaping" from slavery in Egypt.
That one's easier Frank. There was this god fight. After they embarrassed Pharaoh, they figured it was best to get out while they could.
0 Replies
 
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 01:13 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Assuming Jesus didn't condemn slavery do you think he was morally remiss in not doing so, or even evil, and thus the religion based on His teaching is one giant load of bullshit and should be dismantled, its effects sold off or confiscated, its staff redeployed into more useful work and its rules countermanded?
Logicus
 
  1  
Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 01:18 pm
@spendius,
Why bother? let them worship God. Why should we care?
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 01:38 pm
@Logicus,
I care. Adultery would be no fun if it was legit. The epitome of bourgeois respectability. It would be just another aspect of networking. Moral condemnations of adultery simply make it more attractive because we have a yearning to be naughty and especially ladies.

Nobody with the slightest intelligence would take the naughtiness out of adultery.
0 Replies
 
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 01:48 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Assuming Jesus didn't condemn slavery do you think he was morally remiss in not doing so, or even evil, and thus the religion based on His teaching is one giant load of bullshit and should be dismantled, its effects sold off or confiscated, its staff redeployed into more useful work and its rules countermanded?


No.
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 01:52 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Sade and Freud and a few others weren't so chickenshit. A few of the others come in the pub.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 01:53 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Sade and Freud and a few others weren't so chickenshit. A few of the others come in the pub.


I used to love Pubs, Spendius. What is your point?
izzythepush
 
  1  
Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 02:04 pm
@spendius,
Sade and Emma Freud, sounds like somewhere in the West End, you smooth operator you.
0 Replies
 
auroreII
 
  1  
Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 02:35 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Hey Frank,
I can’t give you an answer as to why (or if) Jesus didn’t condemn slavery, nor will I try to in any way justify or presume to know what God does, but here are some things to think about.
We know from what Jesus said that God didn’t approve of divorce, yet he allowed it. I believe he allowed it because if the only way people could get out of a marriage was till death did them part, with human nature being what it is, people would probably be dropping like flies. Seems better that they get divorced. Anyway this is one example of God allowing something, but not necessarily approving of it.
The Hebrews practiced slavery. Perhaps in some cases their enemies were enslaved to keep those enemies from causing them harm.
Try looking up all the rules for owning and treating servants/slaves in the bible. There are a lot of them, a whole lot of them. The proper treatment of servants/slaves was important to them. Of course there were undoubtedly those whose only interest in slaves had more to do with profit, lust, self-importance and mean spiritedness.
Someone here once complained about the passage in the bible directing people to pass slaves down from one generation to another. But does it seem right to own slaves and use up their youth only to kick them to the curb when they are aged and infirmed. And if they were enemies does it make sense to free them?
Someone told me that God took the Jews down into Egypt as slaves to fulfill his promise to Abraham to make of him a great nation. As a small group, Abraham’s kin needed the protection and resources that Egypt could give them until their numbers were large enough for them to be strong enough to possess their own land. They were slaves, I was told, because God didn’t want them to be too cozy and not want to leave Egypt.
In the time of the old testament finding protection and what was needed to live was necessary in some cases for survival even if it meant becoming a slave/servant. There are numerous examples of this throughout history. Many people came to America as indentured servants to pay for their passage and housing here.

The bible passages on slavery seem hard and not very loving. I don’t claim to know why, but you shouldn’t have to worry about slavery and christianity anymore. In the new testament we hear Jesus direct his followers to love one another as they love themselves. I doubt most people would opt for slavery. This is just one example of the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The golden rule can be found in some form in most major religions.
Christians will state that all of us are slaves to something. People may be a slave to money or to drugs, etc.. The bible says we are to serve God and each other. Repeatedly we are told in the bible to choose whom we will serve.
These aren’t answers, just something to think about.







Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 02:58 pm
@auroreII,
auroreII wrote:

Hey Frank,
I can’t give you an answer as to why (or if) Jesus didn’t condemn slavery, nor will I try to in any way justify or presume to know what God does, but here are some things to think about.
We know from what Jesus said that God didn’t approve of divorce, yet he allowed it. I believe he allowed it because if the only way people could get out of a marriage was till death did them part, with human nature being what it is, people would probably be dropping like flies. Seems better that they get divorced. Anyway this is one example of God allowing something, but not necessarily approving of it.
The Hebrews practiced slavery. Perhaps in some cases their enemies were enslaved to keep those enemies from causing them harm.
Try looking up all the rules for owning and treating servants/slaves in the bible. There are a lot of them, a whole lot of them. The proper treatment of servants/slaves was important to them. Of course there were undoubtedly those whose only interest in slaves had more to do with profit, lust, self-importance and mean spiritedness.
Someone here once complained about the passage in the bible directing people to pass slaves down from one generation to another. But does it seem right to own slaves and use up their youth only to kick them to the curb when they are aged and infirmed. And if they were enemies does it make sense to free them?
Someone told me that God took the Jews down into Egypt as slaves to fulfill his promise to Abraham to make of him a great nation. As a small group, Abraham’s kin needed the protection and resources that Egypt could give them until their numbers were large enough for them to be strong enough to possess their own land. They were slaves, I was told, because God didn’t want them to be too cozy and not want to leave Egypt.
In the time of the old testament finding protection and what was needed to live was necessary in some cases for survival even if it meant becoming a slave/servant. There are numerous examples of this throughout history. Many people came to America as indentured servants to pay for their passage and housing here.

The bible passages on slavery seem hard and not very loving. I don’t claim to know why, but you shouldn’t have to worry about slavery and christianity anymore. In the new testament we hear Jesus direct his followers to love one another as they love themselves. I doubt most people would opt for slavery. This is just one example of the golden rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The golden rule can be found in some form in most major religions.
Christians will state that all of us are slaves to something. People may be a slave to money or to drugs, etc.. The bible says we are to serve God and each other. Repeatedly we are told in the bible to choose whom we will serve.
These aren’t answers, just something to think about.



Thank you for your thoughts, Aurorell.

Many of the points you raised have been raised several times in this thread (and others like it)...and you are correct that they are items that ought to be given lots of consideration.

I have...and I know many others here have, because we have discussed them.

Bottom line: I think Jesus did not condemn slavery because the god he worshiped said there was nothing wrong with slavery...that it was moral and acceptable.
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 03:05 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
I used to love Pubs, Spendius. What is your point?


It is impossible for you to understand I'm afraid and I am not going to give it a try. Read Pope's Essay on Man if you are able. Which I doubt.

Nobody would talk to you for very long in a pub I can assure you. There are enough like you to provide the evidence for that assertion.
spendius
 
  1  
Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2013 03:24 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Bottom line: I think Jesus did not condemn slavery because the god he worshiped said there was nothing wrong with slavery...that it was moral and acceptable.


That's not the bottom line. The bottom line is what action we take now if what you think has importance. Would it have an effect on house prices for example?

Even half-baked, tin-pot philosophy needs to be directed at real objects to avoid being fatuous. What do we do with the statement you made which I assume you think is true? There is no point in being Abled 2 Know not doing something.

If it is true it cannot but be beneficial to us all to accept it.
 

Related Topics

 
Copyright © 2024 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.12 seconds on 11/24/2024 at 06:37:40