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Why do you suppose Jesus never condemned slavery?

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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jul, 2013 04:57 pm
@reasoning logic,
It's not impossible.

They certainly weren't taking into consideration what you silly fuckers might think after you had Majored in history.

I think I can say that with 100% confidence.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jul, 2013 05:07 pm
@spendius,
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It's not impossible.

They certainly weren't taking into consideration what you silly fuckers might think after you had Majored in history.

I think I can say that with 100% confidence.


Do you mean like the type of confidence that they had when they thought the earth was flat?

Why not learn how to measure the earth before you become so confident? Why not understand other things before you speak as if you understand them?

spendius
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jul, 2013 05:20 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Do you mean like the type of confidence that they had when they thought the earth was flat?


Nah--that never entered my head. That's just another Goebbelian trick from the safest side of the trouser zipper.

You should knock it off rl because it is very humiliating to be caught underestimating the intelligence of your fellows quite so alarmingly. And so obviously.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 13 Jul, 2013 05:33 pm
@spendius,
Quote:
Nah--that never entered my head. That's just another Goebbelian trick from the safest side of the trouser zipper.

You should knock it off rl because it is very humiliating to be caught underestimating the intelligence of your fellows quite so alarmingly. And so obviously.


Maybe I should have talked about something different like what came first the chicken or the egg?

Do you think it would have made a difference? "as if most people would even know. Rolling Eyes


spendius
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jul, 2013 06:55 am
@reasoning logic,
They evolved synergistically.

Any more simple questions?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jul, 2013 07:15 am
@spendius,
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They evolved synergistically.

Any more simple questions?


Yes why not apply this type of reasoning when talking about the usefulness of the church?
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jul, 2013 01:26 pm
@reasoning logic,
I do. I never see it any other way. What's your justification for implying that I don't?

It is you who milks the ancient tombs.

reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jul, 2013 02:16 pm
@spendius,
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I do. I never see it any other way. What's your justification for implying that I don't?


The same reason others do. Because you joke about it more than you are serious.
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Logicus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 02:00 pm
Maybe, because we needed it. After all, all of the great civilizations in history required slaves to build their empires. Slavery was a vital part of our culture and society. Although our contemporary moralists thinks it to be morally wrong, it might be in fact, beneficial to an early society, one that desires to expand.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 02:09 pm
@Logicus,
Logicus wrote:

Maybe, because we needed it. After all, all of the great civilizations in history required slaves to build their empires. Slavery was a vital part of our culture and society. Although our contemporary moralists thinks it to be morally wrong, it might be in fact, beneficial to an early society, one that desires to expand.


Brilliant!

So...your thoughts are that Jesus never condemned slavery because he wanted to see great empires built!

Great guy...that Jesus.
Logicus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 02:11 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Well, that would imply I believed in Jesus. I do not wish this argument to become religious due to how destructive that could lead to.
Logicus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 02:12 pm
@Frank Apisa,
But to follow the subject, I guess, yes, Jesus wanted to see empire built so people could thrive. As I said, slavery is only useful to starting civilizations, not thriving ones.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 02:49 pm
@Logicus,
Logicus wrote:

Well, that would imply I believed in Jesus. I do not wish this argument to become religious due to how destructive that could lead to.


The question of the thread is: Why do you suppose Jesus never condemned slavery?

What are you discussing?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 02:53 pm
@Logicus,
Logicus wrote:

But to follow the subject, I guess, yes, Jesus wanted to see empire built so people could thrive. As I said, slavery is only useful to starting civilizations, not thriving ones.


I see.

So not only do you KNOW that Jesus wanted to see empires built "so that people could thrive"...

...you also KNOW that slavery is only useful to starting civilizations, not thriving ones.

"Civilization" was "thriving" back during the Roman era...and there were slaves. In fact, there were slaves in a thriving civilization until the middle of the 19th century...150 years ago.

I don't understand the reasoning behind your comment.
Logicus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 03:06 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Forgive me if my words didn't come through with what I was trying to explain. So basically, I believe Jesus, if we are going to make this religious, did not condemn slavery, because we wouldn't understand the horrors of it unless we experienced it. It was to prove a point that enslaving your own species is counter productive and, :wrong", from a certain perspective.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 03:31 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Great guy...that Jesus.


He sure was. You would be running around in a breech cloth with a pointed stick trying to stab a hedgehog for dinner had He not been.

We were treated to an exposure of what happens in Yemen to Ethiopians trying to get to Saudi to find work. On Newsnight.

They are rounded up by Yemini and Saudi police and army and sold to torture camps so that their relatives in Ethiopia can be blackmailed into penury using mobile phones.

Life down there is not like it is in NJ. Jesus condemned slavery with all his teachings.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 03:34 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:
He sure was. You would be running around in a breech cloth with a pointed stick trying to stab a hedgehog for dinner had He not been.


How do you know Frank's not doing that right now? July 23rd is Hodgepig Tuesday after all.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 04:14 pm
@Logicus,
Logicus wrote:

Forgive me if my words didn't come through with what I was trying to explain. So basically, I believe Jesus, if we are going to make this religious, did not condemn slavery, because we wouldn't understand the horrors of it unless we experienced it. It was to prove a point that enslaving your own species is counter productive and, :wrong", from a certain perspective.


So...essentially you seem to be inferring that your guess is that Jesus did not condemn slavery because he was not an all-knowing GOD.

Okay. I get that.

Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 04:15 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
Great guy...that Jesus.


He sure was. You would be running around in a breech cloth with a pointed stick trying to stab a hedgehog for dinner had He not been.

We were treated to an exposure of what happens in Yemen to Ethiopians trying to get to Saudi to find work. On Newsnight.

They are rounded up by Yemini and Saudi police and army and sold to torture camps so that their relatives in Ethiopia can be blackmailed into penury using mobile phones.

Life down there is not like it is in NJ. Jesus condemned slavery with all his teachings.


Interesting guesses, Spendius...and served up with that usual dose of arrogance and disdain.

By the way...Jesus did not condemn slavery at all.
Logicus
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2013 04:16 pm
@Frank Apisa,
From a religious stand point, yes. Jesus was the son of God, not God Himself. He was bound to make Human miscalculations and errors as well, it would seem.
 

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