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Why do you suppose Jesus never condemned slavery?

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 04:51 pm
Frankly, I think Rodney King did a better job with his, "Can't we all just get along."

Anthony, Spendius...everything both of you have said and contributed could be correct (and may well be), but that still does not answer the question, "Why do you suppose Jesus never condemned slavery?"

Jesus taught that adultery was wrong...and even considering adultery was wrong. He taught that the sin was in the thought.

If Jesus truly thought there was something wrong with slavery, it seems to me he would have mentioned it specifically.

The more likely scenario is that Jesus truly thought there was nothing wrong with slavery. And why should he! He had the word of he god he worshiped that slavery was perfectly moral and permissible.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 05:04 pm
@anthony1312002,
Take no notice of Apisa anthony. The Pope is in the way of the indulgence, in the historical aspect, of his dick. That's all there is to it.

I just saw James Meredith interviewed on Newsnight and he said that nothing has changed and implied that the National Guard units which guarded his attendance at the university in Mississippi were just on overtime.

There was a law in Kansas that said that anyone disparaging slavery was getting two years at hard labour.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 05:06 pm
@spendius,
How anybody can attack Jesus for not supporting the downtrodden is beyond me. It has to be a pantsdown agenda. There's no other logical explanation.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 05:11 pm
@anthony1312002,
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Yes, although Jesus didn't mention slavery directly, we can be sure that he includes it as one of the matters of oppression he will do away with.


He will do away with it when? over a 1,000 years later? It is still happening in some places.


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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 05:13 pm
@spendius,
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How anybody can attack Jesus for not supporting the downtrodden is beyond me. It has to be a pantsdown agenda. There's no other logical explanation.


If you are referring to me, Spendius, I have never attacked Jesus for not supposting the downtrodden. It is beyond any logical explanation why you would think that I, or anyone else in this thread, has.
Mockingclown
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 05:35 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Then you're in inaction?

When discussing a subject matter you're either attacking, defending, or observing.

Your plethora of posts declines the notion that you're observing alone, the burden of proof is not on you to prove Jesus condemned slavery therefore you're not defending. Thus it deductively puts you in the attack mode.

Grow a pair and admit your position, and direct the discussion in a proper manner rather than being ludicrously uncertain and wavering around.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 05:41 pm
@Mockingclown,
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Grow a pair and admit your position, and direct the discussion in a proper manner rather than being ludicrously uncertain.


Let me guess, You think that Frank is attacking the position someone could possibly have, even though Frank is uncertain that the person even exist?


I personally like the majority of the moral philosophy that was said to be the position Jesus held. I think that Frank may as well but I should let him speak for himself.
Mockingclown
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 06:00 pm
@reasoning logic,
Look beyond the obvious once in a while will you. Frank is attacking an idea, an idea that morality comes from a divine being through some effort of divine providence. And I'm not disagreeing with Frank, I'm just recommending he be a little more clear when flinging around words.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 06:10 pm
@Mockingclown,
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Frank is attacking an idea, an idea that morality comes from a divine being through some effort of divine providence



I am not sure about that because Frank has some very unusual ideas in my opinion. He has claimed more than once that there is a possibility of a God, elves, unicorns and so on and so on existing, so I would think that Frank would also be uncertain where our morality comes from. If I were to bet I would bet that Frank would say that it is possible that a God gave them to us.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 06:19 pm
@reasoning logic,
much of what Xtianity professes comes from Timmy 1and 2. Catholics actually allow their subjects to readTimmy. Inside Timmy are the statements about caring for slaves and be kind to your slaves
All that was post Jeezus though.
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Mockingclown
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 06:20 pm
@reasoning logic,
I see. So he's one of those bastards who sits in the middle of the fence and beats off to the tune of inaction and irresolution.

Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 06:34 pm
@Mockingclown,
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Then you're in inaction?


I'm in New Jersey.

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When discussing a subject matter you're either attacking, defending, or observing.


Really?

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Your plethora of posts declines the notion that you're observing alone, the burden of proof is not on you to prove Jesus condemned slavery therefore you're not defending. Thus it deductively puts you in the attack mode.


Don't even know what that means. Try it again...I'll respond.

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Grow a pair and admit your position, and direct the discussion in a proper manner rather than being ludicrously uncertain and wavering around.


Ahhh...the heart of the problem. I thought I was able to deal with a discussion the way I wanted. I did not know about the rules you are mentioning. Mind telling me where the rules originate?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 06:37 pm
@reasoning logic,
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I personally like the majority of the moral philosophy that was said to be the position Jesus held. I think that Frank may as well but I should let him speak for himself.


I most assuredly think the majority of the moral philosophy purported to be of Jesus is valuable and I hold it in high regard. I have mentioned this in many, many posts over the years.

Glad you feel that way also, RL.

(I suspect I will not be able to post more in this thread for a while because the hampsters get bugged with multiple posts. If I can, I will continue...if not, I'll return later or tomorrow.)
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 06:39 pm
@Mockingclown,
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Look beyond the obvious once in a while will you. Frank is attacking an idea, an idea that morality comes from a divine being through some effort of divine providence. And I'm not disagreeing with Frank, I'm just recommending he be a little more clear when flinging around words.


I do not "fling words around"...I state my positions quite clearly. I have no idea at all where you get the notion that I am attacking the idea that morality comes from a divine being through some effort of divine providence. I disagree with the idea completely...but that is not the function of this thread.

What is your problem? How about actually quoting something I have said and tell me what your problem is with what I actually wrote.

(Edited to correct a completely screwed up penultimate paragraph.)
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 06:41 pm
@Mockingclown,
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I see. So he's one of those bastards who sits in the middle of the fence and beats off to the tune of inaction and irresolution.


Why are you in the gutter on this? Where did you come from...and what is your problem?
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Mockingclown
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 07:34 pm
@Frank Apisa,
What do you mean as to where I came from? does it matter?

Let's look at the half assed attempt to make a clear discussion because you asked:
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How about actually quoting something I have said and tell me what your problem is with what I actually wrote.



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But keep in mind that there are people who consider it “the word of” some god. In my opinion, that notion costs society a great deal.

Part of what I am doing in asking this question is to focus on why people consider the writing to be “god” inspired rather than simply the efficient, reasonable, and intelligent “morality” of a people living several thousands of years ago. I am questioning its relevance for use in determining what an efficient, reasonable, and intelligent “morality” should be for us…in effect, what our laws should be.

^It's unclear, but I think you're saying that the morality from divinity: "that notion costs society a great deal."

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I want to limit (as best I can) having those decisions be based on what was considered “right rules of conduct” and “morality” thousands of years ago. Only way to even attempt to impact on that…is to constantly question that several-thousand-year-old morality…to pick out what still is valuable and what ought rightly to be discarded.



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The thing this comment of yours brought to my mind was the old:

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot force him to drink.

So...don't try to force him to drink. Try to get him thirsty instead!


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The push to end slavery in America was once considered a "futile exercise" , Setanta.

I'm not a quitter...and sustained efforts are only "meaningless" to people who refuse to see meaning in what other do.


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Absolutely, positively NOT. If he were directly saying anything negative about slavery...it would have to be that slavery is wrong or immoral.

Of course, maybe slavery is not wrong or immoral. The god Jesus worshiped did not consider it wrong or immoral.


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Frank's point is that slavery was clearly an issue during Jesus time, and has continued to be a problem since. As the supposed moral leader of all humanity why would Jesus not speak out against such a widespread and immoral practice?

Setanta's defense that 'there was no slavery in Jesus area during his life' is irrelevent. Christianity is supposed to be a universal, all-encompassing, and eternal belief system. If Jesus is humanities moral leader, why would only address the moral issues of his time, his place? It seems rather myopic for a all-encompassing and timeless religion.

I think that is Frank's basic argument. But, of course, I am IronLionZion not Frank Apisa so I don't know.


From IronLionZion, which Frank Apisa agreed that sums up the argument.

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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 07:41 pm
@Mockingclown,
Grow up...and I might consider responding.
Mockingclown
 
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Reply Mon 1 Oct, 2012 08:07 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I don't need your response. I've got you sized up the moment I started to read the contends of this thread. Your loyalties lie with unexplicit jabs, but you aren't fooling anyone. It's pretty clear that you are trying to get yourself off as an enigmatic clever boid.
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wmwcjr
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2012 12:10 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank, that last post he submitted is, uh, a little dopey, I guess. Well, after all, he is a clown. Razz
Mockingclown
 
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Reply Tue 2 Oct, 2012 12:36 am
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he?

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