@Frank Apisa,
What do you mean as to where I came from? does it matter?
Let's look at the half assed attempt to make a clear discussion because you asked:
Quote:How about actually quoting something I have said and tell me what your problem is with what I actually wrote.
Quote:But keep in mind that there are people who consider it “the word of” some god. In my opinion, that notion costs society a great deal.
Part of what I am doing in asking this question is to focus on why people consider the writing to be “god” inspired rather than simply the efficient, reasonable, and intelligent “morality” of a people living several thousands of years ago. I am questioning its relevance for use in determining what an efficient, reasonable, and intelligent “morality” should be for us…in effect, what our laws should be.
^It's unclear, but I think you're saying that the morality from divinity: "that notion costs society a great deal."
Quote:I want to limit (as best I can) having those decisions be based on what was considered “right rules of conduct” and “morality” thousands of years ago. Only way to even attempt to impact on that…is to constantly question that several-thousand-year-old morality…to pick out what still is valuable and what ought rightly to be discarded.
Quote:The thing this comment of yours brought to my mind was the old:
You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot force him to drink.
So...don't try to force him to drink. Try to get him thirsty instead!
Quote:The push to end slavery in America was once considered a "futile exercise" , Setanta.
I'm not a quitter...and sustained efforts are only "meaningless" to people who refuse to see meaning in what other do.
Quote:Absolutely, positively NOT. If he were directly saying anything negative about slavery...it would have to be that slavery is wrong or immoral.
Of course, maybe slavery is not wrong or immoral. The god Jesus worshiped did not consider it wrong or immoral.
Quote:Frank's point is that slavery was clearly an issue during Jesus time, and has continued to be a problem since. As the supposed moral leader of all humanity why would Jesus not speak out against such a widespread and immoral practice?
Setanta's defense that 'there was no slavery in Jesus area during his life' is irrelevent. Christianity is supposed to be a universal, all-encompassing, and eternal belief system. If Jesus is humanities moral leader, why would only address the moral issues of his time, his place? It seems rather myopic for a all-encompassing and timeless religion.
I think that is Frank's basic argument. But, of course, I am IronLionZion not Frank Apisa so I don't know.
From IronLionZion, which Frank Apisa agreed that sums up the argument.
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