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Why do you suppose Jesus never condemned slavery?

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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 05:26 pm
@Setanta,
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Which part of the Old Testament were you examining for evidence that Jesus condemned slavery, Frank? That's your problem right there.


Are you suggesting that Frank made such a claim?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 05:27 pm
@Setanta,
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No, i'm not angry Frank. That's just a really childish attempt to portray me as emotional and irrational, while you are the voice of cool reason.

Now that is really funny.


But you are, Setanta. You are angry most of the time. Your posts tell us more about whether or not you are angry than your protestations against the notion.

I love ya anyway. You are a fellow human being working his way through life just as I am.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 05:31 pm
@Setanta,
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Which part of the Old Testament were you examining for evidence that Jesus condemned slavery, Frank? That's your problem right there.


Try to put the pieces together, Setanta.

My answer to the question of why Jesus never condemned slavery...or if you prefer, why the people who wrote about the perhaps non-existent Jesus never condemned slavery...


...is because they did not think there was anything wrong with slavery. Their god told them there was nothing wrong with it.

I thought I mentioned that. You must have missed it.

And of course, if the god of the Old Testament actually thought there was nothing wrong with slavery, perhaps it makes sense to question whether it is better to guess that the notion is the product of the humans of that time rather than the notion of a GOD who made the entire universe.

It is something worth pondering...and discussing. Which is why I am doing so.

I want to thank you again for participating despite your negative feelings toward the subject matter and me personally, Setanta. You are a gem.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 05:36 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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My answer to the question of why Jesus never condemned slavery...or if you prefer, why the people who wrote about the perhaps non-existent Jesus never condemned slavery...


...is because they did not think there was anything wrong with slavery

yep. it is sad that this is not obvious, but we do tend to assume that everyone is like us, even our distant ancestors.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 05:55 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
You are trying to reason with Setanta, David!!!

You'd have better luck trying to teach a hedgehog astrophysics.
Do u know whether he is always like that? Face-to-face ?
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 05:58 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
dave...

if you're gonna take frank's side on this, I think I may have to switch over and be on Set's team.

in the interest of fairness and all.

and, I'm afraid to stand too close to you. the weapons and all.

I'm sure you're used to this kinda thing by now.

(I think that's your spent cartridge on the ground there...)
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 06:02 pm
@Frank Apisa,
It's still a pointless exercise, because the religiously devout are not going to agree with your exegesis. Christians particularly claim that Jesus had "fulfilled the law," and that the rules had therefore changed. When they say that i always quote Matthew Chapter 5, verse 18:

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

They always come back and say that Jesus had fulfilled the law, but that's nonsense because he is saying until heaven and earth pass away.

But these days, i rarely have occasion to quote that verse, because i realized years ago that it won't make an iota of difference to them.

This is, then, not an important discussion, because you are not going to get through to the religiously devout, and it doesn't matter what those who ar not religiously devout think on the subject.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 06:15 pm
@Setanta,
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This is, then, not an important discussion, because you are not going to get through to the religiously devout, and it doesn't matter what those who ar not religiously devout think on the subject.


I apologize to you for thinking that you might be taking taking the side of theism, "not that I would intentionally mean any harm if you did but what confuses me is how you left out the emotional responses to the theistic approaches.

I mean none of you any negativity even though I may disagree with you or should I say not understand your point of view?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 06:37 pm
@Rockhead,
Rockhead wrote:
dave...

if you're gonna take frank's side on this,
I think I may have to switch over and be on Set's team.

in the interest of fairness and all.

and, I'm afraid to stand too close to you. the weapons and all.

I'm sure you're used to this kinda thing by now.

(I think that's your spent cartridge on the ground there...)
OK. That 'll be fun.
Let 's see how long u last with that cannibal.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 06:46 pm
@reasoning logic,
I'm not taking any sides, i'm just taking a realistic view of how christians would respond to this proposition.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 07:59 pm
@Setanta,
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I'm not taking any sides, i'm just taking a realistic view of how christians would respond to this proposition.


You may be correct but I find it to be a very interesting subject myself but you are most likely correct that theist would have no participation in such a discussion. I truly would like to know what could be said to get Christians asking questions about such topics. I personally think that for the most part that they have little interest in trying to know the nature of reality.
Helios
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 08:06 pm
@reasoning logic,
If I can stick my head up the foxhole for a second. As a catholic, I know I do question the dogmas. And I do discuss it in with others, it's just that it's not in this forum. And I am left with more questions than answers. But I stick to my religion cause it's community thing and it's how I was raised, although on some issues I'm not with the catholic church such as gay marriage, but I don't tell anyone that, in the real world ofcourse. I just avoid the question. Community in the sense that my parents are in it, my best friends are in it, and you get the idea.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 08:17 pm
@Helios,
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I stick to my religion cause it's community thing and it's how I was raised


I do appreciate your honesty but what I am interested in is how is this honesty differs from other beliefs that you may find way out there.
Helios
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 08:20 pm
@reasoning logic,
What do you mean? Would you be more specific?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 08:36 pm
@Helios,
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What do you mean? Would you be more specific?


If I were to evaluate this last quote of yours and ask questions I might ask questions like the ones below that I have written below your quote.

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I stick to my religion cause it's community thing and it's how I was raised


I think that what you are saying is true for all of us but how can we know for sure that what we have been taught is nothing more than what our environment has taught us?

If you were born into a society that teaches that the prophet Muhammad is the best of all teachers, why would you ever find credibility in the king James bible? "The same goes for Christians. Why would Christians find credibility in the Koran if they were brought up in a Christian environment? Could it be that the environment that we are brought up in has more accountability towards our theology and our moral understandings than our religion?
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 08:43 pm
@reasoning logic,
This is an example of why i usually don't respond to your posts, or even bother to read them. You've wandered off into incoherence here.
Helios
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 08:54 pm
@reasoning logic,
As to the unexplainable, faith I suppose.

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I think that what you are saying is true for all of us but how can we know for sure that what we have been taught is nothing more than what our environment has taught us?


Well a great part is the environment, and there is even a field of science to study it. But there are other variables that influence a persons identity. Media, people with different beliefs than you, genes, etc. In a way, we are all by products someway or somehow of many influences in our lives that changed you or me where as of at the current moment.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 08:59 pm
@Setanta,
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This is an example of why i usually don't respond to your posts, or even bother to read them. You've wandered off into incoherence here.



OK I have know problem with that but I do wonder if there are others that were able to coherently understand the following reply of mine below that Setanta was not able to?

You may be correct but I find it to be a very interesting subject myself but you are most likely correct that theist would have no participation in such a discussion. I truly would like to know what could be said to get Christians asking questions about such topics. I personally think that for the most part that they have little interest in trying to know the nature of reality.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 09:02 pm
@Helios,
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Well a great part is the environment, and there is even a field of science to study it. But there are other variables that influence a persons identity. Media, people with different beliefs than you, genes, etc. In a way, we are all by products someway or somehow of many influences in our lives that changed you or me where as of at the current moment.


Can you explain to me how any of the other examples that you have shared are not a part of your environment?
Helios
 
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Reply Sat 22 Sep, 2012 09:04 pm
@reasoning logic,
No thank you, good night.
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