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Why are Americans so afraid of socialism?

 
 
Miller
 
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Reply Sun 6 Oct, 2013 09:53 am
@Dave World,
Dave World wrote:

I've paid Social Security and Medicare all my life.


So are you telling us, that at birth you jumped out of your MaMa carrying a Medicare card and a Social Security card? If so, what was your career during your 9 months in utero in MaMa?
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 6 Oct, 2013 09:54 am
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:

Dave World wrote:
Why are they so afraid of socialism?

Because they're tired of being afraid of everything else.


"They're tired"? Spoken like a true Canadian!
Miller
 
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Reply Sun 6 Oct, 2013 09:56 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

Jesus preached about taking care of the orphans, the poor, and the elderly.


Instead of talking and talking, old JC should have found a sexy woman and had a real good time! Drunk
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 6 Oct, 2013 09:57 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

He did preach that we should sell our possessions to give them money.


Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 6 Oct, 2013 10:01 am
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:

Health care isn't free. We pay taxes. They benefits of socialized healthcare are many, but it does cost. A centralized system of health care makes sense and most countries in the world understand and appreciate this. Socialism, in the US, does not mean the same thing in the rest of the world. Health care in most countries does not mean insurance companies make obscene profits off the sick and dying either. But no system is perfect, eh!
Last night on the Jon Stewart's show, they played a collage of angry Fox ?newcasters? and senators/congress ?persons? spouting off that half the population aren't paying taxes or at least their fare share. Yes, the poor, the homeless, the bankrupt, the foreclosed upon didn't pay their income taxes last year. Imagine that! This is new tactic, the new argument Fox and the republican party have chosen to use, to fight back against raising taxes on the rich. Huh?
Of course it makes sense to have a healthy population. Do what your country
demands of you. Don't get sick. Problem solved. See how easy that was.



So why is it so hard for women to get routine and emergency mammograms in Canada? Is it because health care in Canada is too " socialized" or is it because, Canadians don't think women deserve decent, high quality care for their breasts?
parados
 
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Reply Sun 6 Oct, 2013 10:07 am
@Miller,
OMG... why would Canada actually follow medical guidelines for mammograms? Just think how much money they could waste if they did like we do in the States.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Sun 6 Oct, 2013 11:46 am
@Miller,
I have no idea what you're talking about. I've had several mammograms and it's never been a problem.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Mon 7 Oct, 2013 04:52 am
@Miller,
Miller wrote:

joefromchicago wrote:

Dave World wrote:
Why are they so afraid of socialism?

Because they're tired of being afraid of everything else.


"They're tired"? Spoken like a true Canadian!

Spoken like a true idiot.
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kerk
 
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Reply Tue 8 Oct, 2013 06:06 pm
@Kolyo,
"..The analogy tries to draw a false equivalence between grades and money, which is nonsense. ..".

Perhaps in 'your' opinion. We all have 'one'.......along with other things.

In 'my' opinion, I say the denial any analogyt is 'nonsense', as 'grades' and 'money' are BOTH forms of reward. And in doing so, I will compare, with knowledge, one of the closest workplace environments that we in the U.S. have to socialism: 'Unions'.

I never worked for GM or Ford, but grew up in their heyday in a city built around them. It was common knowledge that you could excel, or you could be a goof off, it didn't matter, and over the years, eventually, no one would do more than the 'minimum' to get by. In fact, it was common for ambitious 'new hires' to be pulled aside by fellow workers and told to 'tone it down', as they didn't want to be 'shown up'.

Thus the 'Laxidasical' attitude became SOP. This appeared to work fine as long as the auto makers and their workers had a corner on the market, and could hold the consumer hostage to their routine demands for more and more.

But gee whiz, something began to happen in the 80's, we started to see cars that weren't built like junk.....at better prices......by a non union (socialist) work force.

And many would say Detroit and Flint have become two of the country's 'armpits' because of it......lack of ambition, and lack of incentive, created by the workplace equivalent of socialism, the unions. And both cities had been run for decades, by unions and democrats.

Nonsense? Tell me what you base that conclusion on......perhaps a book you read, or that the grass just always looks greener on the other side?
kerk
 
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Reply Tue 8 Oct, 2013 06:27 pm
@parados,
Oh, really? Most people (at least in the schools I've attended) who get A's, do it because they like to learn and they PUT IN THE WORK. If you attended a school where A students would love to carry the load for the D students so that 'everybody' could get a B-, then you were indeed in a special place......and one that I would bet does not exist.

As for an 'agenda'......if you don't think anyone trumpeting socialism doesn't have an 'agenda', then naivete may have set in.

And. "..The made up story assumes all people are lazy and only do something if they get a reward from someone else. That isn't the way real people live in the real world..".

Again...really? From whom are 'you' rewarded? Yourself? If so, congratulations, but I think the majority of people need to, and seek to, get it elsewhere. It really does me no good to 'pay myself'. And I would love to see your 'real world' with it's 'real people'.

But again, I would challenge any teacher to try it. My money says the results would be exactly the same. But since 90% of teachers now are trained socialists depending on government to survive, and are desperately trying to raise up other little socialist, they would not dare try it, as the results would cause their 'big brother' ideology to crumble. And worse yet, the kids might see the truth.

As Winston Churchill said:
"..The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery...".

Bingo
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 8 Oct, 2013 06:54 pm
Have to love the nitwit who tagged this thread "Fear of Sharing"
parados
 
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Reply Wed 9 Oct, 2013 07:00 am
@kerk,
Quote:
Oh, really? Most people (at least in the schools I've attended) who get A's, do it because they like to learn and they PUT IN THE WORK

And you turn around and argue that they only like to learn because of the "A". They like to learn and will do so whether they get a grade or not. Learning is its own reward for those people. I'm guessing you didn't get many A's.

Quote:
Again...really? From whom are 'you' rewarded? Yourself? If so, congratulations, but I think the majority of people need to, and seek to, get it elsewhere. It really does me no good to 'pay myself'. And I would love to see your 'real world' with it's 'real people'.
All you have to do is look around you. People do things because they LIKE to do them.

Perhaps the best example of people doing things they like without monetary reward is Linux. Much of its development is done by volunteers. People who write code because they like to do it. They like to figure things out. They don't do it for a monetary reward.

Quote:
As for an 'agenda'......if you don't think anyone trumpeting socialism doesn't have an 'agenda', then naivete may have set in.
And there is your agenda for all to see. You promote ignorance. You don't know what socialism is let alone the meaning of the word trumpet. Pointing out that a made up story is made up and wouldn't occur in the real world is hardly promoting socialism. It is promoting realism.

You need to get out of your fantasy world and join the rest of us in the real world. People volunteer to help those less off than themselves. People do things for free without requiring some monetary reward. Two weeks ago I was at a wedding talking to some OR nurses that were talking about their upcoming trip to South America where they assist in free surgeries. They don't get paid to do it. They pay for the trip themselves.
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 9 Oct, 2013 07:01 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Have to love the nitwit who tagged this thread "Fear of Sharing"

Obviously some people have no fear of sharing their ignorance.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 9 Oct, 2013 07:22 am
@Dave World,
Dave World wrote:
The United States of America is supposedly founded on Christian principles.
WHERE in the Constitution did u find that??
Please quote it to us.
I argue that it was founded upon contempt of authority and abhorrence thereof.





Dave World wrote:
said "As you do unto the least of my children, you do unto me",
"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of Heaven", and

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
I 'd not rob them of their liberty.






Dave World wrote:
Don't we all have a social contract to look out for the common good?
Yes, we DONT.




Dave World wrote:
Public schools, libraries, highways and fire departments are all socialist in nature. I've paid Social Security and Medicare all my life. Now they want to take it away from me because it is SOCIALIST??!!! What is wrong with these people? How did they come by so much cold-hearted greed? Why are they so afraid of socialism?[/color]
I 'll stand up in support of greed. I 'll carry the flag of greed.
I will fight for INDIVIDUALISM, libertarianism, hedonism and for the end of socialism.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 9 Oct, 2013 07:25 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Have to love the nitwit who tagged this thread "Fear of Sharing"

Obviously some people have no fear of sharing their ignorance.
REFUSAL to have your property stolen,
is closer to it; fear is not required.





David
parados
 
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Reply Wed 9 Oct, 2013 08:18 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

parados wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Have to love the nitwit who tagged this thread "Fear of Sharing"

Obviously some people have no fear of sharing their ignorance.
REFUSAL to have your property stolen,
is closer to it; fear is not required.





David

David <--- a man with no fears.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 9 Oct, 2013 05:39 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Have to love the nitwit who tagged this thread "Fear of Sharing"

Obviously some people have no fear of sharing their ignorance.


As you've ably proven.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 9 Oct, 2013 06:51 pm
@parados,
That is true; none.





David
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Kolyo
 
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Reply Thu 10 Oct, 2013 10:26 am
@kerk,
Quote:
In 'my' opinion, I say the denial any analogyt is 'nonsense', as 'grades' and 'money' are BOTH forms of reward.


They are both forms of reward, but your professor's attempt to say they are equivalent fails because saying "they are both rewards" is too simplistic -- just another example of the radical oversimplification rampant in economics today.

The main reason I believe they differ:

In the classroom, grades are the only reward that confers real status.

In the economy, jobs confer status in many ways other than through money. Participation in the teaching profession confers a moral form of status on those who teach -- or used to , before the Right began demonizing teachers. Teaching is a noble profession that commands more respect than many other professions that pay a lot more. Meanwhile, a doctor who saves lives in the ER has a "nobler" job than than the guy in private practice who makes 3 times as much. Finally, in addition to money, you can acquire status by winning awards for superior work.

Thus by eliminating grade motivation in the classroom you eliminate all possibility of achieving superior status through your work. But by paying everyone the same, we would not eliminate the possibility of an individual distinguishing himself/herself through superior workmanship and effort.
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Kolyo
 
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Reply Thu 10 Oct, 2013 10:30 am
@kerk,
kerk wrote:

And many would say Detroit and Flint have become two of the country's 'armpits' because of it......lack of ambition, and lack of incentive, created by the workplace equivalent of socialism, the unions. And both cities had been run for decades, by unions and democrats.


Many blame the loss of the "good jobs" in manufacturing on unions, forgetting that before the labor movement there were no "good jobs" in manufacturing, only wage slavery and a 80-hour workweek.
 

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