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Are atheists being more illogical than agnostics?

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reasoning logic
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:24 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Some people apparently "believe" in the flying noodle monster. I am not one of them.


Have you ever met one of these people who believe?
JimmyJ
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:25 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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What evidence do I have to have?

Some people apparently "believe" in the flying noodle monster. I am not one of them.

I do not do "believing."


You're asserting that you believe he does not exist. What is your evidence for that?

It's amazing how your "rules" for assertion only apply to others but not yourself.
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:44 pm
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

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Some people apparently "believe" in the flying noodle monster. I am not one of them.


Have you ever met one of these people who believe?


Nope...that is why I said "apparently.

Jimmy must have met some...since he posed the question.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:46 pm
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

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What evidence do I have to have?

Some people apparently "believe" in the flying noodle monster. I am not one of them.

I do not do "believing."


You're asserting that you believe he does not exist. [/wuoyr]

I am not asserting that at all. You asked a question...and I answered it.



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What is your evidence for that?


My evidence for what?

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It's amazing how your "rules" for assertion only apply to others but not yourself.


Whatever I demand of you...I demand of myself.

You made an assertion...and I asked for the evidence to back the assertion.

If I make an assertion...demand the same of me.
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:46 pm
@Frank Apisa,
You are having some trouble playing this game, aren't ya, Jimmy?
JimmyJ
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:47 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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I am not asserting that at all. You asked a question...and I answered it.


Wait, you aren't asserting that you believe he does not exist?
So you don't believe he does not exist? ....

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My evidence for what?


Your evidence/reasoning for believing he does not exist.

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Whatever I demand of you...I demand of myself.

You made an assertion...and I asked for the evidence to back the assertion.

If I make an assertion...demand the same of me.


I am demanding some now and you're avoiding it.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:48 pm
Jimmy

On a completely different note: You indicated that you were good at poker...with that challenge earlier.

Do you play on-line?

JimmyJ
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:48 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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You are having some trouble playing this game, aren't ya, Jimmy?


If this were a game you'd be way behind.

I've already shown that you don't believe the same reasoning you implore on others to be applicable to yourself.
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:53 pm
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

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You are having some trouble playing this game, aren't ya, Jimmy?


If this were a game you'd be way behind.


I doubt that...but if it makes you feel better about yourself to think that...by all means think it.

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I've already shown that you don't believe the same reasoning you implore on others to be applicable to yourself.


I do not do "believing", Jimmy. You gotta get that down pat...or you are going to continue to be sloppy in your questions.

If you ask me if I "believe" something...I am going to say no...no matter how you word it. I do not do "believing." If you want to ask about my guesses...or estimates...or suppositions...that might be more productive.
JimmyJ
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:54 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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I doubt that...but if it makes you feel better about yourself to think that...by all means think it.


When someone uses your own reasoning against you, you've clearly lost the argument. This is exactly what's happening to you now.

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I do not do "believing", Jimmy. You gotta get that down pat...or you are going to continue to be sloppy in your questions.

If you ask me if I "believe" something...I am going to say no...no matter how you word it. I do not do "believing." If you want to ask about my guesses...or estimates...or suppositions...that might be more productive.


You don't do believing? But you just said you do not believe unicorns exist. Earlier you claimed that not believing was the same as a belief when I said I don't believe it is likely that god exists. Ready to admit you're wrong yet?
reasoning logic
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:56 pm
@JimmyJ,
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I've already shown that you don't believe the same reasoning you implore on others to be applicable to yourself


You do not seem to know Frank very well. Frank thinks that anything may be possible, don't believe me? "just ask him.
JimmyJ
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:56 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I don't believe online poker to be an accurate way of assessing one's poker skills.
JimmyJ
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:57 pm
@reasoning logic,
He doesn't actually believe that. He just thinks pretending to be neutral in everything makes him appear more wise.
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:57 pm
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

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I doubt that...but if it makes you feel better about yourself to think that...by all means think it.


When someone uses your own reasoning against you, you've clearly lost the argument. This is exactly what's happening to you now.


You may think you are...but you are not.

I was inquiring about an assertion you made.

What assertion of mine are you inspecting?

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I do not do "believing", Jimmy. You gotta get that down pat...or you are going to continue to be sloppy in your questions.

If you ask me if I "believe" something...I am going to say no...no matter how you word it. I do not do "believing." If you want to ask about my guesses...or estimates...or suppositions...that might be more productive.


You don't do believing? But you just said you do not believe unicorns exist.


And I don't. I do not do "believing." There may be some people who do believe unicorns exist. I am not one of them. I truly do not believe they exist.

I also do not believe they do not exist.


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Earlier you claimed that not believing was the same as a belief when I said I don't believe it is likely that god exists. Ready to admit you're wrong yet?


I never said any such thing. Are you ready to acknowledge that you are just making stuff up?
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:58 pm
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

I don't believe online poker to be an accurate way of assessing one's poker skills.


Neither do I...but it is an available poker game...and live games are hard to come by.

So...do you play on-line?
JimmyJ
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 04:59 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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Neither do I...but it is an available poker game...and live games are hard to come by.

So...do you play on-line?


No I do not
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 05:00 pm
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

He doesn't actually believe that.


Now you are getting it, Jimmy. I do not do believing...so I do not believe that.


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He just thinks pretending to be neutral in everything makes him appear more wise.


I do not try to be neutral in everything...and I do not pretend to be neutral in everything. That is all in your imagination, Jimmy.

Does imagining that stuff make you feel good?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 05:00 pm
@JimmyJ,
JimmyJ wrote:

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Neither do I...but it is an available poker game...and live games are hard to come by.

So...do you play on-line?


No I do not


Oh...thanks. Wink
Frank Apisa
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 05:01 pm
@Frank Apisa,
So do you play many live games?
JimmyJ
 
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Wed 18 Dec, 2013 05:02 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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You may think you are...but you are not.

I was inquiring about an assertion you made.

What assertion of mine are you inspecting?


The assertion that you do not believe unicorns exist.

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And I don't. I do not do "believing." There may be some people who do believe unicorns exist. I am not one of them. I truly do not believe they exist.

I also do not believe they do not exist.


Don't cop out. Take a stance. For the sake of your own intellectual pride you need to take a stance on whether unicorns exist or not.

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I never said any such thing. Are you ready to acknowledge that you are just making stuff up?


I told you that I don't believe it's likely that gods exist.

You claimed that not believing and believing are both belief and by extension that disbelief and belief are the same thing. You then said you do not believe unicorns exist (directly before saying you don't believe anything). So if belief and disbelief are the same, and not believing and believing are the same, and you do not do beliefs, but you believe unicorns do not exist, you have contradicted yourself.
I laughed a bit while writing that.

The way I've turned you against your own argument without you even knowing is very funny
 

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