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Possible Chemical Discovery in Iraq

 
 
Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 12:29 am
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Possible Chemical Discovery in Iraq
Blister Gas Weapons Found, Initial Tests Show
By ROBERT H. REID, AP

BAGHDAD, Iraq (Jan. 10) - Danish and Icelandic troops have uncovered a cache of 36 shells buried in the Iraqi desert, and preliminary tests showed they contained a liquid blister agent, the Danish military said Saturday.

The 120mm mortar shells were thought to be leftovers from the eight-year war between Iraq and neighboring Iran, which ended in 1988, said U.S. Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt.

The shells were wrapped in plastic but had been damaged, and they appeared to have been buried for at least 10 years, the statement said.


Of note:

1) They aren't weaponized but could, indeed, be leftovers that were proscribed weapons.

2) This could be a false alarm.

Quote:
"We're doing some preliminary tests to ensure that if they do contain any kind of blister agent that we can dispose of them properly," Kimmitt said.

The Danish military emphasized that the tests were not definitive. In the weeks after the Iraq war, the U.S.-led coalition found several caches that tested positive for mustard gas but later turned out to contain missile fuel or other chemicals.

Other discoveries turned out to be old caches that had already been tagged by United Nations inspectors and were scheduled for destruction.


Analysis:

This is precisely the type of discovery that most people expect. It's not weaponized WMDs but is, indeed, forbidden ("blister gas").

It won't justify the "threat" use of the WMD specter as this is low level weapons that were in a state of damage beyond use but if true can illustrate legitimate complaints about Iraqi complicity.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 01:31 am
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Montana
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 03:04 am
I can hear it now. Sigh!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 03:57 am
For what it is worth, this is the latest on the story by Australia'a ABC:

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A Danish official in the city of Basra said troops had uncovered 36 120mm mortars on Friday and had asked British specialists to analyse them. (Reuters)

US plays down blister agent discovery
By Mark Willacy in Baghdad

The United States military is playing down the discovery of dozens of suspected Iraqi chemical shells in the country's south.

The weapons are believed to have been left over from the Iran-Iraq war.

Danish troops found the 36 mortar rounds wrapped in plastic bags and buried in southern Iraq.

Initial tests suggest they contain a chemical blister agent but that still has to be confirmed.

The US military says the weapons are probably leftovers from the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 05:06 am
dAmn, looks like theyve found the WMDs and all the stuff we were fed was actually the truth. my oh my, and how I excoriated this administration for lying to me. i have been such a fool not to have believed the truths that were told . can they ever forgive me?

Why they could have laid waste to our eastern seaboard with those blister agent shells.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 11:27 am
When I first heard about this early yesterday I kinda thought - oh good, there was something. Then I heard about the U.S. trying to downplay the discovery, and thought - what the heck is that about.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 11:39 am
Any truth to the rumour that the shells are stamped 'Proudly Made In The USA?'
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 11:50 am
I suppose they could have dug them up in 40 minutes and launched them at us.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 11:59 am
After patching the holes with duct tape.
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 11 Jan, 2004 12:41 pm
Probably downplayed because it is a gun that was smoking a dozen years ago. It is interesting and surprising that shells for a close range weapon like a mortar had been prepared, especially if loaded with mustard. That stuff is more persistant than most chemical agents.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2004 01:00 am
Good point.
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pueo
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2004 01:03 am
bookmark
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 04:10 pm
Am made to understand that deteriorating explosives can give false positives on CAMs:

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CAMP EDEN, Iraq - U.S. tests on mortar shells found in Iraq and suspected of containing blister agents have turned up negative, though further tests will be conducted, a Danish army spokesman said Wednesday.


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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 14 Jan, 2004 07:43 pm
yeh but they first stated that these shells contained liquids. i know of no liquid explosive that wont just detonate sitting there (eg nitro, pTX)
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 05:19 am
You're right, farmerdude.

That begs the question, what exactly was the liquid in those shells?

I actually don't have any idea.

Most explosive and smoke agents used in battlefield weaponry are solids...yes? Training rounds perhaps?

Chemists: could the solids have broken down to a liquid over time?

Iraq itself claimed it had lost track of several hundred shells during the Iraq-Iran war. So more old rusty shells are bound to be found eventually.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 05:35 am
This stuff is just battlefield munitions left over from the Iran Iraq war, if its anything at all. They are obviously not nuclear or biological weapons. Chemical shells would have degraded by now into a fairly innocuous sludge. Only possible use is if some pharmaceutical co. packaged it and sold it as an anti depressant. Or cure for hair loss.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 02:52 pm
the US has nerve agent (GB, VX) sitting in Tooele utah and at 2 sites in Maryland. These nerve agents have been there since the 1950s. they are stil lextremely dangerous.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2004 04:50 pm
ok farmerman, you go first when it comes to testing the stuff!
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 08:44 am
They should excavate the entire country. It's the only way to be sure...
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2004 10:58 am
farmerman wrote:
the US has nerve agent (GB, VX) sitting in Tooele utah and at 2 sites in Maryland. These nerve agents have been there since the 1950s. they are stil lextremely dangerous.


But we don't ever intend to use these weapons, we just like storing them.

We are not terrorists, we are Christian Soldiers.

We are different than these Godless Muslim Arab fanatics so it's okay for us. Rolling Eyes
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