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Is this the beginning of the end of Rupert Murdoch's media empire?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2011 06:31 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
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He's not the target. It's the organization he's built up
He IS the organization, FOX is fully the ID of Murdoch...see all of the chit chat that has gone one over the last two decades about what is likely to happen to Fox after he departs to learn more.
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2011 06:32 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
(very quickly)

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He's not the target. It's the organization he's built up.

Actually I'd argue that he is. (Along with the activities of news outlets he's built up.)
And for very good reason.
Political interference (for his own ends) in just about every country his "empire" has spread to.
Corruption of established media regulations, as a result of his influence on governments, to allow him to take-over more media outlets than would previously have been allowable & acceptable ....

I could go on, but I haven't the time now ....
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2011 06:37 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
I think those who love Fox News feel allegiance to Roger Ailes, not to Murdoch.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2011 06:38 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
FOX is fully the ID of Murdoch
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2011 06:39 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:
I think those who love Fox News feel allegiance to Roger Ailes, not to Murdoch.

Are we supposed to know your point by telepathy?
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2011 06:39 pm
@msolga,
Former Oz PM Paul Keating last night said he didn't think Rupert had a political agenda, he just supports the wing of politics that will allow him to do business the way he wants unfettered by regulation. For example to get over the cross media ownership laws in the early 90s here he backed the conservative opposition, who dumped the law when they got in.

Ask yourself why he is blatantly supporting the right in the UK, the USA and the Oz right now? What's in it for him business-wise?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jul, 2011 06:42 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:
FOX is fully the ID of Murdoch

People who love Fox news rarely even think about the monolith that is FOX the empire, Murdock could sell Fox News tomorrow and so long as Ails was running it few would care.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2011 02:45 am
@hingehead,
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Former Oz PM Paul Keating last night said he didn't think Rupert had a political agenda, he just supports the wing of politics that will allow him to do business the way he wants unfettered by regulation. For example to get over the cross media ownership laws in the early 90s here he backed the conservative opposition, who dumped the law when they got in.

The thing is, hinge, I think that Australians (those who closely follow politics, anyway) are much more aware & far less surprised by Murdoch's excesses than people in the countries which he later moved on to..

Murdoch, in his early days in Oz , played the very same sorts of games against his media rivals in Australia & used his influence to corrupt government policies for his own purposes.

He then went on to employ the same tactics later, in the UK & the US. With considerable success.

He even went as far as to renounce his Australian citizenship (which I genuinely believe actually mattered, still matters, to him) to become a US citizen so he could pursue is media take-overs there.

What people in other countries whose media now has a strong Murdoch influence should realize it that almost everything that Fox News, NOTW, etc, etc, etc, presents, or how they present the news, has been influenced by the Murdoch agenda.

Murdoch has made & destroyed governments through the influence of his media outlets & news publications. And he will continue to do so unless proper regulatory measures are not adopted in those countries where his influence is not contained & limited.
Izzie
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2011 03:13 am
@msolga,
Rebekah Brooks has now resigned and, as a British Citizen, should have to be present for questioning on Tuesday by the Culture Media and Sport Commitee.

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At News International we pride ourselves on setting the news agenda for the right reasons. Today we are leading the news or the wrong ones.

The reputation of the company we love so much, as well as the press freedoms we value so highly, are all at risk.

As Chief Executive of the company, I feel a deep sense of responsibility for the people we have hurt and I want to reiterate how sorry I am for what we now know to have taken place.
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I have believed that the right and responsible action has been to lead us through the heat of the crisis. However my desire to remain on the bridge has made me a focal point of the debate.

This is now detracting attention from all our honest endeavours to fix the problems of the past.

Therefore I have given Rupert and James Murdoch my resignation. While it has been a subject of discussion, this time my resignation has been accepted.

Rupert’s wisdom, kindness and incisive advice has guided me throughout my career and James is an inspirational leader who has shown me great loyalty and friendship.

I would like to thank them both for their support.

I have worked here for 22 years and I know it to be part of the finest media company in the world.

News International is full of talented, professional and honourable people. I am proud to have been part of the team and lucky to know so many brilliant journalists and media executives.

I leave with the happiest of memories and an abundance of friends.

As you can imagine recent times have been tough. I now need to concentrate on correcting the distortions and rebutting the allegations about my record as a journalist, an editor and executive.

My resignation makes it possible for me to have the freedom and the time to give my full cooperation to all the current and future inquiries, the police investigations and the CMS appearance.

I am so grateful for all the messages of support. I have nothing but overwhelming respect for you and our millions of readers.

I wish every one of you all the best.

Rebekah


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8639598/Phone-hacking-Rebekah-Brooks-resignation-statement.html
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2011 03:13 am
@msolga,
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Perhaps it will. Murdoch is a master of the dramatic marketing flourish. The sudden closure of the News of the World is just another example. He is calculating the scandal will blow over now that his ritual sacrifice has been made. He may be right on that point, too. The public - and most media - have a short attention span. And Murdoch is used to waiting.
He plays the longest of long games. Though his various outlets may routinely back right-wing causes, he is not an ideologue but the ultimate pragmatist: he will back anyone or anything that advances his interests. His papers trumpet the nationalism of whatever country they are published in, but Murdoch himself is no nationalist. He changed allegiance from Australia to the US to further his corporate aims there. This single-minded pursuit of growth has seen News and its offshoots spread into all corners of communications: from newspapers to magazines, television, films, book-publishing and the internet. His reach is immense, and for most people, unseen.
The intensity of Murdoch's desire to increase his power and influence leaves others disarmed. Politicians are putty in his hands, because on issues affecting his power, they are prepared to compromise and he is not. He uses the breadth of his media interests coupled with a superb instinct for what rates with the public to make or destroy politicians as his interests dictate. It has been happening for decades: Gough Whitlam was one of the first, helped to power then crippled by Murdoch when he proved unsatisfactory, but many have followed all over the world. Tony Blair was lifted up, but his successor Gordon Brown was trashed once more. Julia Gillard is feeling the full weight of Murdoch's braying, bullying antagonism. So is Barack Obama. Small wonder, then, that serious allegations against the News of the World were known or suspected for years but not properly investigated. Britain's politicians simply lacked the courage to provoke the behemoth to anger. They are hardly alone in their fear. Australians have acquiesced as Murdoch acquired an almost unparalleled dominance of one country's media.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/editorial/murdoch-shock-is-no-real-surprise-20110708-1h6n8.html#ixzz1SABFW8bE


This is right, Murdoch has built Fox by knowing how power works and by knowing that what people will buy is often not what they say they want....he long ago learned to ignore what people say they want and instead gives us what we want. The rise of Murdoch is a prime example of what happens when the masses no longer understand power, and how it is used to manipulate them.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2011 03:50 am
@Izzie,
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Rebekah Brooks has now resigned and, as a British Citizen, should have to be present for questioning on Tuesday by the Culture Media and Sport Commitee.


So now she is exempt from questioning, is that right, Iz?

How very convenient!
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2011 03:56 am
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

Former Oz PM Paul Keating last night said he didn't think Rupert had a political agenda, he just supports the wing of politics that will allow him to do business the way he wants unfettered by regulation. For example to get over the cross media ownership laws in the early 90s here he backed the conservative opposition, who dumped the law when they got in.

Ask yourself why he is blatantly supporting the right in the UK, the USA and the Oz right now? What's in it for him business-wise?


The Sun is the biggest selling daily in the UK. It has a reading age of 8, and most of its readers are working class. The Sun blatantly tells readers how to vote for its own purposes. There are a few issues that Murdoch is actually interested in like keeping the UK out of the eurozone, but mostly it's about money and influence.

In the 8o's Murdoch had a very cosy relationship with the Thatch, he gave her support, she'd help out in return. The Thatch even gave out honours to newspaper editors in return for support. Murdoch switched sides because Blair was certain to win, but Labour was so wary of piising off Murdoch after such a long time in opposition they went along with his requests. Britain never joined the Eurozone.

Murdoch supported slimy Dave because he promised to nod through the BSB takeover bid and abolish Ofcom. Recent revelations stopped all this. Murdoch has a level of access to Communist China that is unprecedented, because Murdoch will happily broadcast their propaganda for them.

Fox News (surely an oxymoron) makes money by being controversial, higher viewing figures mean more advertising revenue and influence. Apparantly Murdoch can't stand O' Reilly but he knows he makes money. Glenn Beck wasn't sacked because of his repugnant views, it was because he was losing advertising revenue.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2011 03:58 am
@hawkeye10,
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This is right, Murdoch has built Fox by knowing how power works and by knowing that what people will buy is often not what they say they want....he long ago learned to ignore what people say they want and instead gives us what we want. The rise of Murdoch is a prime example of what happens when the masses no longer understand power, and how it is used to manipulate them

I would argue that he has given the people what he wants, hawkeye.

And yes, he definitely knows how power works & exploits is to his own ends.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2011 04:14 am
Convincing people to support what one wants has n0thing to do with some silly, arcane formula about who wants what. The manipulation of public opinion is a matter of pushing people's buttons. A prime example of this can be seen in the United States over the last 40 years during which time, conservative demagogues have convinced many Americans that the country is basically conservative and always have been. This, ironically, occured on the heels of a successful civil rights movement, one the greatest acheivements of liberal social and political action in our history. The ground was well prepared for Murdoch long before he arrived--he didn't need to convince a potential audience, just to cater to what they already were prepared to believe.

Whether or not Murdoch's "empire" is now truly threatened will depend on whether or not the attacks on him in Australia and the United States are genuine criminal investigations, or just head-hunting exercises. For them to be the former, reliable evidence of crimes actually having been committed will be needed. It they are the latter, if investigators such as the FBI are just on a fishing trip of grand proportions, then Murdoch is not actually threatened.

If there actually have been crimes, and investigation uncovers it in the United States and Australia--particularly in the United States--then he is well and truly . . .
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Izzie
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2011 04:19 am
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

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Rebekah Brooks has now resigned and, as a British Citizen, should have to be present for questioning on Tuesday by the Culture Media and Sport Commitee.


So now she is exempt from questioning, is that right, Iz?

How very convenient!


oh no MzO - she will attend and be questioned as to what she knew. Whether she'll answer the committee truthfully, if at all, is an entirely different matter.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2011 04:31 am
@Izzie,
Ah. She will explain about what she "knew".

I see. Neutral

Thanks, Iz.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2011 04:34 am
@Izzie,
Agreed, before all this happened any inquiry was essentially toothless. Now it has the power to issue summonses and compel witnesses to answer under oath. Thiese measures were resisted by Slimy Dave until the strength of public anger forced him to do yet another U turn. Millie Dowler was the tipping point. If it's proven 9/11 victims/relatives were similarly hacked, that may well prove the tipping point in America.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2011 04:41 am
How long before Jimmy resigns? He is guilty of paying out hush money. He has been accused of attempting to pervert the course of justice in the commons. So far his excuse has been that he was misled, and these shadowy nameless 'wrongdoers' in the NI power echelons.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2011 05:45 am
This is from todays paper, reminds me of chief Wiggum's badge 'Cash Bribes Only'

Phone hacking: Murdoch paid US anti-bribery law lobbyists£1m donation to US Chamber of Commerce in spotlight amid calls for prosecution of News Corp in America, where it is based


Share reddit this Ed Pilkington in New York guardian.co.uk, Thursday 14 July 2011 18.11 BST Article history
Eliot Spitzer, the former New York governor, is among American political voices calling for Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation to be prosecuted in the US for bribery in the News of the World scandal. Photograph: Charles Ommanney/Getty Images
Rupert Murdoch donated $1m to a pro-business lobby in the US months before the group launched a high-profile campaign to alter the anti-bribery law – the same law that could potentially be brought to bear against News Corporation over the phone-hacking scandal.

News Corporation contributed $1m to the US Chamber of Commerce last summer. In October the chamber put forward a six-point programme for amending the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, or FCPA, a law that punishes US-based companies for engaging in the bribery of foreign officials.

Progressive groups in the US have speculated that there is no coincidence in the contemporaneous timing of the Murdoch donation and the launch of the chamber's FCPA campaign, which they claim is designed to weaken the anti-bribery legislation. "The timing certainly raises questions about who is bankrolling this campaign – if it's not News Corporation who is it?" said Joshua Dorner of the Centre for American Progress action fund.

Ilyse Hogue of the monitoring group Media Matters said the donation was in tune with Murdoch's track record. "Time and again we've seen News Corporation use their massive power and influence to change laws that don't suit them. The proximity of this contribution and the chamber's lobbying campaign at least should raise eyebrows."

The Chamber of Commerce dismissed the suggestions of a link between its campaign and the News of the World scandal as "preposterous" and "completely false". "Our efforts to modernise an outdated act have been ongoing for nearly a year," a spokesman said, adding that the aim of the proposals was to obtain clear rules of the road for American businesses.

The FCPA can imprison and fine individuals and companies. It was signed into law in 1977 as a means of clamping down on the bad behaviour of US companies abroad. In recent years it has been increasingly usesd. The 10 heaviest FCPA settlements have all occurred since 2007 and total $2.8bn.

News Corporation, which has its headquarters in the US, emphasises in its corporate literature that it has a global anti-bribery policy. "We don't offer, give, solicit or accept bribes or kickbacks, either in cash or in the form of any other thing or service of value," it says.

But evidence has come to light that News Corporation employees working for the News of the World bribed police officers in the UK. "What News of the World did would seem to fall squarely within the parameters of the FCPA," said Philip Raible, a media lawyer with Rayner Rowe LLP in New York.

The chorus of demands that News Corporation face an FCPA investigation has grown steadily louder in the US in the past two days. The former governor of New York, Eliot Spitzer, has called in Slate for an immediate investigation of the company for violation of the anti-bribery act.

Congressional representatives have added their voices to demands for an official investigation. Bruce Braley, a Democratic member of the powerful House oversight committee, told CNN that Congress itself should look into whether Murdoch's company broke anti-bribery laws.

A Republican representative in New York, Peter King, has called on the FBI to look into claims that News of the World was involved in phone-hacking activities in the US. And several members of Congress have written to the US attorney general, Eric Holder, asking him to see whether News Corporation has breached the FCPA.

The Securities and Exchange Commission, which has the authority to investigate companies under the FCPA, said any civil prosecution it undertook would only be made public if it asked the courts for an injunction prohibiting further violations of the law.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jul, 2011 06:49 am
@izzythepush,
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News Corporation contributed $1m to the US Chamber of Commerce last summer. In October the chamber put forward a six-point programme for amending the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, or FCPA, a law that punishes US-based companies for engaging in the bribery of foreign officials.

Progressive groups in the US have speculated that there is no coincidence in the contemporaneous timing of the Murdoch donation and the launch of the chamber's FCPA campaign, which they claim is designed to weaken the anti-bribery legislation. "The timing certainly raises questions about who is bankrolling this campaign – if it's not News Corporation who is it?" said Joshua Dorner of the Centre for American Progress action fund.

Ilyse Hogue of the monitoring group Media Matters said the donation was in tune with Murdoch's track record. "Time and again we've seen News Corporation use their massive power and influence to change laws that don't suit them. The proximity of this contribution and the chamber's lobbying campaign at least should raise eyebrows."


You have no idea (or perhaps you do?) about how familiar this sort of enticement to toe the Murdoch line has been here (in Oz).

Though usually such blatant bribes are not necessary.

Threats to incumbent governments (or Murdoch encouragements to the opposition) are usually enough to persuade all parties about the wisdom of toeing the Murdoch line. Neutral
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