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Is this the beginning of the end of Rupert Murdoch's media empire?

 
 
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2012 11:04 am
@georgeob1,
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That is not in keeping with standards of justice that are in keeping with our legal tradition, or, as I understand it, that of the UK.


The unlikely-hood of that happening George should have been sufficient to warn you not to go off half-cocked.

That you have done is ample proof of your need to denigrate the UK.

At the time of the DSK incident it looked like your newspapers were being written in the DA's office.
McTag
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2012 04:06 pm
@spendius,

Yes, don't confuse Justice Leveson's Inquiry (yet to report) with the earlier parliamentary sub-committee statements (bunch of amateurs), George.

I thought Rebekah was calm and controlled, today. Like Coulson, she brought some damning material to hurt Cameron's coterie, namely a copy of a memo from Mr Hunt to her staff, asking for their help in a matter in which he was supposed to be impartial.
Hunt is watching his career go down the tubes. If Cameron's intention in setting up this Inquiry was to damage Murdoch, he's taking a lot of punishment himself. Collateral damage so to speak.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2012 05:14 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

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I have no quarrel whatever, Walter, with the legal framework behind the inquiry. It appears to have been duly constituted; staffed with well-qualified professionals; and, from the parts I watched on Television, conducted with acceptable legal process. My issue is solely with the sweeping conclusion it made with respect to a person who has not been convicted of any crime in the matter of any kind. That is not in keeping with standards of justice that are in keeping with our legal tradition, or, as I understand it, that of the UK.


To be clear George it was a Parliamentary Committee which declared that Mr Murdoch was an "unfit" person and that was based on a one vote majority with the Conservatives being defeated. And such a committee is perfectly entitled to conclude as it did and announce it.

The Leveson Enquiry has made no pronouncents. Indeed the Judge readily admits the perplexities he is faced with in what he called "the grey area" once. He refers to it in other ways. Waving his fingers about for example.


Then I stand corrected and apologize for the errors in my remarks. Perhaps I read the reports with far too little care. My understanding was that the Leveson Committee itself issued this pronouncement. That a Parliamentary committee or subcommittee did it is entirely another thing, and I withdraw my erroneous criticism of what I incorrectly assumed was a judicial action.

Thanks for the correction Spendi.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2012 05:26 pm
@McTag,
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Yes, don't confuse Justice Leveson's Inquiry (yet to report) with the earlier parliamentary sub-committee statements (bunch of amateurs), George.


That is only the simple side of George's confusions Mac.

The Committee, which is by no means composed of amateurs, heard the evidence and it was pretty damning for the Dirty Digger.

So-- in order the reduce the embarrassment to a guy who might have in the safe all sorts of stuff the private detectives had turned up, the deal was that a conclusion was reached which was extreme enough to justify the conservatives on the Committee dissenting and thus demonstrate that the vote was on party lines and, as such, not as strong a condemnation as might have been the case with a unanimous Committee coming to a slightly less dramatic conclusion.

What is emerging is that this lady using the known influence of the pre-Raphealite image of the feminine to render ex-public schoolboys into juddering mode can be traced back to the Sex Discrimination Act of the mid-70s introduced by a well known innocent at large; Michael Foot.

She did refer to "in the countryside" and at Party Conferences as venues where she had met the Prime Minister a handful of times.

Did you notice that the ceremony of lighting the Olympic torch from the rays of the sun was suggestive of how the priestesses of the Eleusinian Mysteries might well have comported themselves in the introductory rituals of that religion when greeting the applicant novices seeking initiation after their barefoot traipse from Athens?

msolga
 
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Reply Fri 11 May, 2012 05:47 pm
@msolga,
Ah, now I see , George!

This may help. I posted it a couple of days ago. Sorry, insufficient time now to extract & post the most relevant parts.

You might find the BBC's Leveson Inquiry Q & A link useful.:

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But they were a "select committee", appointed to do the job.


and it's all entirely meaningless unless they have the power to shut down any of his media outlets or force the breakup of the chain

yammering committees mean nothing



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Can the committee make anything happen?

Well it depends on what you mean by "make anything happen", or "meaningful".

Remember the Leveson Inquiry (& the parliamentary select committee ) are inquiries, whose briefs were to investigate, deliberate, then make findings & recommendations to government.
That is the function of such bodies, no more & no less, that is the extent of their powers. That is all they can "make happen", as is the case in most similar countries with similar parliamentary processes.
It is then up to the government to respond to their findings & recommendations.

The parliamentary select-committee concluded that Murdoch was "not a fit person to run an international company"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/may/01/rupert-murdoch-not-fit-phone-hacking

This is the brief of the Leveson Inquiry, which is now in progress.:

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The inquiry has two parts, the first of which is examining relations between the press, politicians and police, and the conduct of each. Its aim is to consider the extent to which the current regulatory regime has failed, and whether there has been a failure to act upon any previous warnings about media misconduct.

In doing this, it has already examined the relationships between the press and the public, and the press and police. It will now move on to consider the relationship between press and politicians.

The second part of the inquiry will look at the extent of unlawful or improper conduct within News International and other media organisations. It will also examine the way in which any relevant police force investigated allegations relating to News International, and whether the police received corrupt payments or were otherwise complicit in misconduct.

It will also consider the role, if any, of politicians, public servants and others in relation to any failure to investigate wrongdoing at News International.

The remit also includes broadcasters and social media networks.


These are the recommendations the Leveson Inquiry will make:

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The first part of the inquiry will make recommendations on:

a new, more effective policy and regulatory regime which supports the integrity and freedom of the press, the plurality of the media, and its independence, including from government, while encouraging the highest ethical and professional standards

how future concerns about press behaviour, media policy, regulation and cross-media ownership should be dealt with by all the relevant authorities, including Parliament, government, the prosecuting authorities and the police

the future conduct of relations between politicians and the press

the future conduct of relations between the police and the press

The second part of the inquiry will consider the implications for the relationships between newspaper organisations and the police, prosecuting authorities, and relevant regulatory bodies - and to recommend what actions, if any, should be taken.


BBC News - Q&A: The Leveson Inquiry:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15686679

From my perspective, I'd argue that these are very serious issues, which require serious deliberation. I believe the British public also believe they are serious issues. I'd argue that these inquiries were essential to establish the facts of what actually occurred & to to put those facts on the official record.
Of course, the ball will then be in the government's court ... in how they act in response to the findings & the recommendations.
But we will have to wait to see what eventuates, obviously.
(I think I have my facts on the parliamentary select-committee & the Leveson Inquiry right, but please feel free to correct me if I haven't, any UK A2Kers. You're much closer to to what's happening than I am.)
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 03:49 am
@msolga,
http://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=moz35&va=rebekah+brooks

They are worth enlarging.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 08:09 am
@spendius,
I've read Alastair Campbell's Diaries, The Blair Years, and Tony Blair's A Journey and it struck me watching the witness yesterday that I didn't remember what these books had said about her.

So I checked the index in both. Mr Campbell had three entries under "Wade" but they said nothing significant about her, and The Journey had not a one. (that's zero).

You could have blown me down with a feather.

Bearing in mind that at the time Campbell's memoir was published relating to his role as Communications man at No 10 our heroine had been editoress of The Sun for a few years, the first female ever, at a mere 35, and when Mr Blair's book was published (2010) she was chief executive of News International and, seemingly, deciding which party won the election and which issues should get enhanced government attention.

I would like to see Mr Jay forensically probing these two gentlemen concerning such startling omissions.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 01:07 pm
@spendius,

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Did you notice that the ceremony of lighting the Olympic torch from the rays of the sun was suggestive of how the priestesses of the Eleusinian Mysteries might well have comported themselves in the introductory rituals of that religion when greeting the applicant novices seeking initiation after their barefoot traipse from Athens?


Yes I did.

And I noticed later that the flame went out, to the virgin's evident embarrassment. They didn't show us how it was re-lit, though.
McTag
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 01:17 pm

I don't know whether anyone's mentioned this before, but my belief is (having read this somewhere) that the American authorities want to know whether News International's phone hackers operated also in the USA...on Jude Law among others.
If this can be proved, things will get a lot blacker for the Murdochs re. their American holdings.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 03:20 pm
@McTag,
I can't say I noticed the flame Mac. I was time travelling.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 05:00 pm
@McTag,
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I don't know whether anyone's mentioned this before, but my belief is (having read this somewhere) that the American authorities want to know whether News International's phone hackers operated also in the USA...on Jude Law among others.
If this can be proved, things will get a lot blacker for the Murdochs re. their American holdings.


Yes, that's right, McTag.
Did a bit of Googling & found it.
This article was in the Telegraph (UK), in January. It includes links to other related articles :

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News International faces FBI phone hacking probe
By Mark Hughes, Raf Sanchez
7:00AM GMT 20 Jan 2012


Rupert Murdoch’s is facing an FBI investigation into phone hacking in America after News International admitted intercepting voicemails of Jude Law, the actor, while it is thought he was in the United States.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02113/hacking-jude_2113705b.jpg
Jude Law Photo: PA

Yesterday the company paid the actor £130,000 after accepting that it had published stories gleaned from hacking his phone.

One of the articles News International accepted had come from phone hacking was a 2003 story in the News of the World which referred to telephone calls Law’s assistant Ben Jackson had made to him when he arrived at an airport.

It is believed the airport was John F. Kennedy airport in New York.

News International’s admission has led the US authorities to investigate whether a crime took place on American soil.

It is thought the possibility that Law’s phone was using an American network at the time could lead to offences having been committed under US law.


James Murdoch could be recalled by hacking inquiry MPs after evidence of 'cover-up' emerges
21 Jan 2012

Phone hacking: American numbers 'found in Glenn Mulcaire's notebook'
27 Feb 2012

Harold Shipman's son had phone and email hacked by NotW
19 Jan 2012

Jude Law: 'phone hacking made me distrustful of people'
19 Jan 2012

James Murdoch could face corporate legal charges
09 Jul 2011

Four Sun journalists held over payments to police
28 Jan 2012



The FBI has confirmed that it is looking into the allegations.

An FBI spokesman said: “We aware of the allegations of surrounding this matter and are looking into it.”

The spokesman refused to confirm whether Law has already been interviewed over the matter. Law’s agent Sara Keene also refused to comment.

An FBI investigation would be further embarrassment for Rupert Murdoch.

The phone hacking scandal has so far been largely confined to the UK.

A separate investigation in the US would be extremely damaging to Mr Murdoch given that his News Corporation media empire is based there.

Law’s solicitor, Mark Thomson, refused to disclose where the airport was, or whether Mr Law had been on US soil when his phone was hacked.

However a statement read to the court references a News of the world article, published in 2003 which “even referred to phone calls that the claimant’s assistant had made to the claimant on arrival at an airport.”

An article published on September 7 2003 in the NotW refers to calls made by Mr Jackson to Law shortly after he arrived at New York’s JFK airport.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/9026330/News-International-faces-FBI-phone-hacking-probe.html
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 05:09 pm
@spendius,
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They are worth enlarging.

It was a difficult choice (choosing wisely not to enlarge that lot!).
Here's my pick of the bunch.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01947/brooks-murdoch-hac_1947191i.jpg
Rebekah Brooks: former CEO of News International resigns over phone....

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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 05:13 pm
@msolga,
The cover up is even practiced by those against cover ups.

The whole point of my Campbell/Blair book indexes post was to demonstrate that what you read in Media is missing the point.

The point is-- how does the daughter of a tugboat deckhand/ gardener from Warrington who has been arrested for assaulting her husband get to be deciding the result of elections and which issues the government should be giving more attention to. i.e, spending more money on and thus spending less money on other things. And how Mr Murdoch exploited her obvious prowess for commercial reasons.

spendius
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 05:19 pm
@spendius,
This is the picture I enlarged the most.

http://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fuk.search.yahoo.co
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spendius
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 05:22 pm
@spendius,
This is the picture I enlarged the most.


http://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?_adv_prop=image&fr=moz35&va=rebekah+brooks

Top line, the one on the right.
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 05:52 pm
@spendius,
Oh I won't enlarge that!
I would feel very, very mean if I did! Wink
She looks so ...utterly wretched, so desperately unhappy ....
For good reason..
The party's over.
Caught red handed.
Game's up.
Not that she (& Rupert & James & all the rest) didn't deserve it!
I suppose she'll just have to console herself with lots of $$$$$$?


msolga
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 06:58 pm
@msolga,
Ha, sometimes I even feel a bit sorry for Rupert, when he's looking particularly old, crumpled & beaten.
But then I snap out of it pretty quickly by reminding myself that he's a greedy, unscrupulous old bugger who wants to control the whole world, purely for his own financial gain! Wink
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 12 May, 2012 10:32 pm
Would the Murdoch admirer who has thumbed down every single post on this page (maybe more, I haven't bother to look ...) be so kind as to share their views with us? Smile
Seriously, I'd be really intrigued to hear your alternative perspective.
Don't be shy! (or cowardly! Wink )
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2012 03:11 am
@msolga,
I think she's just got a face like a smacked arse. She's standing next to Ross Kemp, who she was with before Charlie Brooks, so this was long before the **** hit the fan
msolga
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2012 03:26 am
@izzythepush,
No .... top line, far right.
 

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