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Daughter Singled Out Going Thru Airport Security

 
 
snood
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 11:45 pm
Just for everyone's edification... the "stupid" comment was something Cyclops said early on. It was something like "people who think these measures make them safer are stupid". I'll dig up the quote...

[edit] And here it is...

Quote:
Doesn't change the fact that the theater is useless, provides no protection at all, and really is just a band-aid so stupid people will feel safe.


It was a side of Cyclops I don't believe I knew about - the part of him that felt the need to call everyone who these measures makes to feel safe, "stupid".
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 11:48 pm
@aidan,
Fair enough, and if I said any of it I apologize in advance (cause I really want to find a thread with more hippies or something now).
aidan
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 11:51 pm
Found it:
Cyclo said:
Quote:
Doesn't change the fact that the theater is useless, provides no protection at all, and really is just a band-aid so stupid people will feel safe.

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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 11:53 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Sorry. I hadn't gotten that far into the thread, yet.
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aidan
 
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Reply Tue 26 Apr, 2011 11:55 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Quote:
Fair enough, and if I said any of it I apologize in advance (cause I really want to find a thread with more hippies or something now).


I told you that I just clicked on your post because it was last and yeah - it seemed you were in basic agreement with some of the points made earlier by Cyclo.

If you want some amusement - check out the relationship question by Jinlova about the first party catching the second party with the third party after the fourth party had to go to the emergency room.
Fascinating and funny!
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 09:27 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I honestly feel bad for these security guys/gals. I don't think they (at least most of them) really want to feel up some guy - I mean half these people they are feeling up are old, ugly, fat and smelly. Who the heck wants that job?
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 09:29 am
@Thomas,
I realize why they do it - I actually found it more amusing than anything else.

However, I would have been upset had they choose her for a pat down.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 09:32 am
@chai2,
Just saying the odds - if you select a small percentage to check there is such a small likelihood that you actually ever find a guilty party.

Just seems like a waste of effort.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 10:24 am
@tsarstepan,
Got a job recently with TSA, Tsars, or applied for one?
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 10:32 am
@tsarstepan,
In the Vietnam war alone, children and babies were used for carrying live grenades (sans pins) in order to get closer to the American soldiers. It's not an original concept and the tactic has been used throughout history. When they got close enough, the mothers, who were connected to these crawling babies by radio, would issue a command to toss the grenade into the group of troops. Any troops that weren't killed by the blast had their throats slit by the knife that the babies had concealed in their diapers.

During the Vietnam illegal invasion, Vietnamese children and babies were used for target practice and as test subjects for chemical experiments and to see how well they could stand up to napalm and to see how saturation bombing affected their bodies.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 11:00 am
Anyone who thinks that the world is a dangerous place for "westerners" really is naive. The facts simply do not support such a contention.

Anyone who thinks that the security measures that have been put in place by the US are effective is naive.

Anyone who thinks that remaining quiet is an effective way to fix the real problems that exist is naive.

Anyone who thinks that doing a check on a 9 year old child is "effective security" is way more than naive.

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Irishk
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 11:08 am
I don't feel safer, but it's kind of like death and taxes -- inevitable, and if you want to fly you have to submit to it, so I do. Every time I get singled out I ask why and the answer is always the same, "Selection is computer generated". Who wouldn't feel safer with that answer?

Here's a t-shirt for Cy...

http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/CARGO-SCAN-PERVERTS-KID.gif
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 11:14 am
@Irishk,
I actually have a shirt very similar to that.

Regarding the security thing: I think people who think this makes them any safer haven't put any real thought into the security challenge that is an Airport. If someone wants to get a bomb on a plane, taking it through security on their person is the absolute dumbest possible way to do it. It would be TREMENDOUSLY easier to bypass security by co-opting a worker at the airport itself, or for one of the hundreds of companies who regularly access the tarmac and facility on a daily basis.

Reactive security stops nobody at all, it's just a joke. A gimmick. You know what's going to happen next, right? Some jerk is going to smuggle a bomb up his ass onto a plane. And then the quivering quislings who design our security procedures are going to claim that, in the name of safety, we all need body cavity checks. And a bunch of people will call those who resist it, jerks.

The truth of the matter is that there is no practical way to ensure security on an airplane, and some are going to get hijacked. Some people are going to get their houses broken into, some are going to get carjacked. It's how life is. If people would accept this fact, instead of living their lives in full-on reactionary mode, we'd all be a lot better off.

Cycloptichorn
JTT
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 11:17 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
The truth of the matter is that there is no practical way to ensure security on an airplane, and some are going to get hijacked. Some people are going to get their houses broken into, some are going to get carjacked. It's how life is. If people would accept this fact, instead of living their lives in full-on reactionary mode, we'd all be a lot better off.


Not gonna happen. That would require critical thinking.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 11:31 am
@Cycloptichorn,
"Regarding the security thing: I think people who think this makes them any safer haven't put any real thought into the security challenge that is an Airport. If someone wants to get a bomb on a plane, taking it through security on their person is the absolute dumbest possible way to do it. It would be TREMENDOUSLY easier to bypass security by co-opting a worker at the airport itself, or for one of the hundreds of companies who regularly access the tarmac and facility on a daily basis. "

Quote:
December 10, 2010
CANTON -- Delvonte Tisdale stowed away on a commercial jet and fell out of the aircraft as it neared Boston's Logan Airport last month, Norfolk District Attorney William R. Keating said today that evidence collected by his office suggests

He called Tisdale death a tragedy for the teen’s family – and a worrisome breach of airport security at a time when travelers are subjected to body searches and forced to use full-body scanners before they can board.
“There is great concern that with all of our efforts for security, and the almost invasive type of efforts that are occurring right now, that something like this could happen,’’ said Keating, who will be sworn in as the new congressman from the 10th Congressional District next month.

He added, “it’s a terrible tragedy what happened to this young man, but if that was someone with a different motive… if that was a terrorist that could have been a bomb that was planted, undetected. This is very serious.’’
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According to Keating, investigators have found forensic evidence – fingerprint and handprints – that indicates Tisdale snuck into the left wheel well of a Boeing 737 aircraft sometime on Nov. 14 while the plane was parked at the Charlotte-Douglas International Airport in Charlotte, NC.

The flight departed to Boston around 7 p.m. Tisdale came plummeting to the ground, landing in a quiet, upscale neighborhood of Milton shortly before 9:00 p.m. – a neighborhood directly under the airplane’s flight path.

“It appears more likely than not that Mr. Tisdale was able to breach airport security and hide in the wheel well of a commercial jet airliner without being detected by airport security,’’ Keating said at an afternoon press conference at his office
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2010/12/police_recover_1.html

THis was a stupid teen, just think what a terrorist could get accomplished.
Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 11:36 am
@hawkeye10,
exactly the incident I was going to put out there.
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chai2
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 11:38 am
@Cycloptichorn,
cy, not everyone who doesn't make a fuss at the gates is saying that the system is good, or effective.
Just because someone submits to the searches doesn't automatically make one a sheep. God knows I'm not a sheep.

However, doing your complaining at the gate, complaining here, complaining to the person next to you, or being rude and complaining to the person doing the search is "stupid" also.

The suggestion was made that you go into politics, so you can be part of the voice that has some chance of being heard. You don't want to do that.
I'm sure there are more productive ways to make your opinions known then by complaining to people who have no influence over whether searches are done or not, or how security is being conducted.

I don't think one person here has said the current system is wonderful. If I were going to lodge a complaint though, I would do some research and make it so someone who counts. That sure isn't the guy who's just doing his job.

I know people (and I'm sure not one of them) that don't make a fuss, don't give anyone a death stare, or make silly comments, etc. who may on the surface look like they are totally obilvious to any inconvenience, or what some people consider some huge hardship. But, by golly, before you know it there's an adjustment, a change, a correction. That's because they didn't make a public fuss, but took the mail to the right address, and got something accomplished. They do things with finesse rather than carrying on.

Serious question to cy and Robert....Who (meaning someone who counts) are you taking your complaints to? What have you constructively done to change the way things are, if you don't like it?

People I see at airports, stores, other public places who complain aloud to anyone within earshot come across to me as boorish louts, more interested in being the center of attention, then really wanting to get something done. If we all woke up tomorrow and the TSA completely revamped their system and made it sound, those same people would just find something else to winge about.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 11:44 am
@chai2,
Quote:

People I see at airports, stores, other public places who complain aloud to anyone within earshot come across to me as boorish louts, more interested in being the center of attention, then really wanting to get something done. If we all woke up tomorrow and the TSA completely revamped their system and made it sound, those same people would just find something else to winge about.
Every political movement that has come down the pike has used this approach, often effectively. Civil rights, feminists, anti war, student rights, anti nukes, .........so is your complaint about all public displays of objection? the ones that are not organized? the ones that you dont agree with?
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 11:45 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Regarding the security thing: I think people who think this makes them any safer haven't put any real thought into the security challenge that is an Airport. If someone wants to get a bomb on a plane, taking it through security on their person is the absolute dumbest possible way to do it.


Didn't all the hijackers on 09-11-2001 pass through normal airport security checkpoints?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 27 Apr, 2011 11:47 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

Quote:
Regarding the security thing: I think people who think this makes them any safer haven't put any real thought into the security challenge that is an Airport. If someone wants to get a bomb on a plane, taking it through security on their person is the absolute dumbest possible way to do it.


Didn't all the hijackers on 09-11-2001 pass through normal airport security checkpoints?


Yup. And just a few years ago, a graduate student was arrested after successfully proving that security could not stop him from smuggling knives and parts that could be assembled to make a gun onto a plane, on more than one occasion, in more than one airport.

Cycloptichorn
 

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