Is there a god??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

There either is or is not a god (/goddess/gods/goddesses/spaghetti monster...). Regardless of what I or anyone else may feel or think or believe or know, it simply is or is not.

This is not a logical answer. You don't have self-confidence to decide, so how can you give logical answer?

I don't read links, I want personal opinion.

Logical answer: There is no god.

To many, god being a figment of imagination, it's not real...

Mr. Francis,
Logical answer from yout own point of view is not logical. Where is your proof specially that the other side hass strong ones.
I can tell you one if you'd like.

Yes, tell me one..

If you are going to insist on logic, then i will object that there is no logical reason to imagine a god. Unless you can assert, and demonstrate, that you personally have met a god or gods (which i would incline to doubt), then logic will fail. The only plausible argument would be a first cause argument. If one asserts that a god or gods created the cosmos, then the next logical question is who or what created that god or those gods. If one replies that god (or the gods) are eternal, my response will be that you can eliminate the middle man, and simply assume that the cosmos is eternal--you would be needlessly multiplying causes.

Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.

nice picture

The mosquito has 100 eyes, 48 tooth, 3 hearts, 6 knives, 3 wings in each side, has X-Ray macine to distingiush the human skin in the dark, has a local anacsthetic machine to insert its throne without our feeling, has an instrument for blood test, has mechanism to runny blood,,,,
and if all scientists combine to make a wing of a mosquito, will fall.
And you kill it so simply even without notice.

What about you?
You have eyes, your own eyes Mr Smart, can you tell me how they are working?
If you awake in the morning blind, no one in the world can help you, can you restore your sight?
Remeber they are your own eyes.
If you are in front of death, can you prevent your soul from leaving your body? rmember, it is your own soul. Do you even know what is your soul?
Face your weakness?
If you still able to say that they are made by themselves, then it is easily for you to think that Effil tower is made by itsself specially that one cell of you more complicated than this tower.
Now, I want a very clear answer from a smart person.

I like smart answers.
what you call plausible argument which is how cosmos is created? the answer is the creator. Yes? let us agree on this first. Or else how is this great universe existed? the next logical question is why we are existed?

By the way, Everything is endless so everything with a beginning. If you have another opinion, then keep yourself alive forever.
If the creator is with a beginning, then he is created. And if the creator is created, then he is a creature like us not creator. So this one is not the creator and who created him is the God so the God is not created and consequently is the first which means without a beginning.

Um - - - -

No, i'm not going to agree with that. Are you simple-minded? Did you actually read and understand what i wrote? You're not obliged to agree with me, but you're crazy as hell if you think that a basis for ongoing discussion will be imposing your assumptions.

I don't like non-constructive replies, we're discussing an imp topic so whether you have a strong concept or not.
I don't like assumptions. Here is to talk about facts. If you have an assumption against my fact, no problem to explain you more.

Ummm......
You seem to be a good man.

I don't like "non-constructive" replies, either, andyour reply was the non-constructive reply. In fact . . .



That was a non-constructive answer. You provide an "answer" for which you don't even offer a hint of substantiation. You are the one making assumptions. "Here is to talk about facts" you say? You make a claim without support, and that is not talking about facts. So, there is no "assumption" to be made, because you haven't presented any fact.

It is a simple-minded and childish assumption based upon the narrow experience of ignorant humans that anything which exists must have been created. I see very little prospect for continuing to discuss this topic with you, becasue you are begging the question. You start from an assumption that the question is answered by the premise you assume.

You have nothing to offer here.

these are not the droids you are looking for...