Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2003 04:34 pm
Well, I thought the question was about "Sabbath" and not religion.

Any science is qua definitione unbiased ("scire"!) - it's the interpretation, which brings special views to it.

And as I said above, I think my Catholic view to be biased (and as said before, I consider any 'religious' view to be biased re this question as well).
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2003 04:44 pm
It was the "all too often" phrase, Ambassador, which in juxtaposition, seemed to me to say that you doubt that anyone ever presents unbiased views. I agree with Walter that when people discuss their beliefs, they are by definition presenting a biased view. However, your comment seemed to me to suggest that one was unlikely to be able to discuss belief itself without bias, something with which i would not automatically agree.
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Seeker
 
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Reply Wed 24 Dec, 2003 09:56 am
View points
We've all got abelief and that makes us biased towards our own point of view. What makes it less biased is accepting other arguments and looking at different points of view. I mean, fundamental Christians are going to have a different view from atheist, however hard they try to be 'unbiased'. Rolling Eyes
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Aressler
 
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Reply Wed 7 Jan, 2004 11:05 pm
If you go by the scriptures the Sabbath is Old Testament and since Jesus came to earth and saved everyone of all there sins. The Sabbath was not needed anymore. Tell me were in the New Testament it talks about keeping the Sabbath day holy. I could be wrong but am fairly confident. Another point though is that Jesus himself did not keep the Sabbath day holy in the retrospect of the law. Who is anyone to say what is to keep the Sabbath day holy except for God, and he hasn't said anything so I personally believe that the Sabbath day is a bunch of made up bull that some leaders decided would be good, and has just transgressed throughout the centuries.
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Ruach
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2004 10:58 pm
Seeker, Keeping the Sabbath is one of the 10 commandments.

A scripture where Jesus did something on the Sabbath and the Pharisees berated him for it. Jesus pointed out the he is the Lord of the Sabbath.

The Sabbath is a sign:
Quote:
Ex 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.


To follow the letter of the law caused the Pharisees to think saving something on the Sabbath was wrong. But as Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath and he rules with mercy and justice; it is appropriate to save or do necessary work on the Sabbath. (such as our nurses, firemen, police and doctors)
Quote:
Matt 12:[1] At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
[2] But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
[5] Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
[8] For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
[10] And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
[11] And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
[12] How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.


Quote:
Colossians 2: [16] Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
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Seeker
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jan, 2004 12:05 pm
So things like going out to see a film or whatever on a Sunday are wrong?
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Laptoploon
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jan, 2004 12:35 pm
The Anglican Church in the UK has suggested only this week that the "Sabbath" should be downgraded. They've come to this point as they recognise that most folk spend their Sundays gardening, DIYing, watching/playing football and visiting family/friends....if I did all that I wouldn't have time for a church service!
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Tue 3 Feb, 2004 02:33 pm
The Sabbath is a good thing - in our busy society it is good to have some free time - just to relax. I think we should consider seeing the Sabbath in a new light, not as a religious day, but also as a secular, Western day to rest.
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Ruach
 
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Reply Thu 5 Feb, 2004 03:34 pm
Seeker, going to a movie is a restful situation for some people. It is a break from the regular work week that we are slaves to. God is the originator of the sabbath, he made it for man. God created everything in 6 days and the day and night was the first day and the 7th day he set aside as the sabbath for rest. It is lawful to do well on the sabbath. The sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath.
Quote:
Colossians 2: 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the SABBATH days:
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Seeker
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2004 04:39 am
Ruach, I think you are right that seeing a film is a good break. But it is surely causing somebody to work...?
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Wed 18 Feb, 2004 02:37 pm
Smart
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