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WikiLeaks about to hit the fan

 
 
djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 01:21 pm
@BillW,
BillW wrote:

Wow, you just define the repub party over the last decade (actually, starting in 1994) to a "T"......nice!


i pity the fool
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 01:30 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

failures art wrote:

What do you mean by "strategically?"

Also, unless Time altered it's policy this year, what is there to suggest that the selection of Zuckerburg is strategic? And what do you perceive is the objective of said strategy?

A
R
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Not to speak for CJ but if you think that everything going on in the world spins around a center inhabited by Julian Assange, you would likely see this a strategic move on some force's part.

The Forces of Transparent Truth arrange so it's Zuckerman thus taking some of the heat off Assange while still promoting the cause.

The Forces of Shadowy Secrets arrange it so anyone but Assange is given the "honor" and let's face it, Zuckerman is just anothe face of The Man.


The Forces of Assange Fan Appeasement have allowed an article about Assange as runner-up in the Person of the Year issue in hopes of preventing fan backlash.
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 01:46 pm
@djjd62,
Quote:
true, but if the nobel committee was starting investigations about me i'd think i might be getting an award for something, if the police were starting investigations i'd think i might be getting charged with something

i suppose i should have said charges were levelled, leading to an investigation


Sorry Deej, this doesn't sound right. I'm sure the nobel committee investigate a lot of people who don't get awards.

I think the word 'charge' is causing the problem between you and high seas. The women can 'charge' Assange (meaning: blame/claim) without the police 'charging' him (meaning: formally arrest and prosecute him for the alleged crimes).

Two women alleged a crime and police investigated the allegations, up to this point Assange has not been 'charged' by the police with anything.
djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 01:49 pm
@hingehead,
i get it, i guess i was projecting, i always assume i'm guilty until proven innocent
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 01:57 pm
@djjd62,
Well, you usually are Wink
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 03:06 pm
Has anybody changed their minds on here yet as a result of reading the ins and outs, the this and thats and the on the one hand and on the other hands?

I have. I'm neutral now. At the beginning I thought that anybody who climbs up onto the parepet to take on the authorities is asking for what he gets irrespective of whether he deserves it. I think that is the basic message of the Gospels.

What he gets and how he gets it is not really the point.

But as posting on the internet is a very mild form of climbing up onto the parapet it makes sense that a thread such as this will be sympathetic to Mr Assange's present plight.

When the Genome Project comes to its flowering I suppose it will be possible with some simple tests to identify the trait at an early stage and select it out or allow just enough for the staging of dramatic events which exercise the official and public mind for long periods of time. Which is probably a good thing because if these minds have nothing to distract them they start working on more regulations for those who keep their heads down and who, on finding themselves inadvertently in possession of 250,000,000 secret documents, would cream their underpants and get them to the Police Station silently. The documents I mean.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 03:24 pm
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

failures art wrote:

What do you mean by "strategically?"

Also, unless Time altered it's policy this year, what is there to suggest that the selection of Zuckerburg is strategic? And what do you perceive is the objective of said strategy?

A
R
T




Not to speak for CJ but if you think that everything going on in the world spins around a center inhabited by Julian Assange, you would likely see this a strategic move on some force's part.

The Forces of Transparent Truth arrange so it's Zuckerman thus taking some of the heat off Assange while still promoting the cause.

The Forces of Shadowy Secrets arrange it so anyone but Assange is given the "honor" and let's face it, Zuckerman is just anothe face of The Man.


The Forces of Assange Fan Appeasement have allowed an article about Assange as runner-up in the Person of the Year issue in hopes of preventing fan backlash.


You've put your finger on it wandel

The Forces of Assage Fan Appeasment don't exist unless the Forces of Assange Lionization do. I think we have to include the hackers attacking Amazon among the latter forces as well.

So we know have another force at play in this international drama who would seek to intimidate news outlets, financial corporations and even governments in order that they behave in a way that suits goals of this new force.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 03:33 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
So we know have another force at play in this international drama who would seek to intimidate news outlets, financial corporations and even governments in order that they behave in a way that suits goals of this new force.


Good! How is this materially different than the way Corporations, governments and even News Outlets seek to intimidate everyone else to accomplish their goals?

Cycloptichorn
High Seas
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 03:57 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

Rep-elect West (R-FL) wrote:
And I think that we also should be censoring the American news agencies which enabled him to do this and also supported him and applauding him for the efforts.


I can think of someone who should be censured, and it isn't our media.

Your quote has a misleading typo, probably because West spoke on a radio program where's it's easy to make a transcribing error. You of course got it right - he spoke of censure, not censorship - but then so did Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX):
Quote:
.......In the neoconservative vision, a constant state of alarm must be fostered among the people to keep them focused on something greater than themselves, namely their great protector — the state. .... They say, 'See, we told you, the world is a dangerous place,' so goes their claim. 'We must prosecute or even assassinate those responsible for publishing the leaks. Then we must redouble our efforts to police the world by spying and meddling better with no more leaks,' so they say.


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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 04:02 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
behave in a way that suits goals of this new force.


Do you mean WL or the Internet by new force Finn?

Were not news outlets, financial corporations and even, a long while ago, governments a new force when they appeared in the world? Can mankind handle its own intelligence? Are we biting off more than we can chew. Do the best-laid schemes o' mice an 'men gang always agley?

It was inherent in the internet from the beginning. Plenty of people said so.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 04:13 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
behave in a way that suits goals of this new force.


Do you mean WL or the Internet by new force Finn?

Were not news outlets, financial corporations and even, a long while ago, governments a new force when they appeared in the world? Can mankind handle its own intelligence? Are we biting off more than we can chew. Do the best-laid schemes o' mice an 'men gang always agley?

It was inherent in the internet from the beginning. Plenty of people said so.


The Forces of Assange Lionization
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 04:15 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
That's a fad Finn. Like BP victimisation. It will pass.
High Seas
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 04:17 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

The Forces of Assange Lionization

You don't suspect Ron Paul of that one, do you? Or me, for that matter? Only leftists and neocons are railing against Assange. Excerpt from his speech
Quote:
"Rather than worry about the disclosure of embarrassing secrets we should focus on our delusional foreign policy," argues Paul, who has run for the presidency as both the Libetarian nominee and a Republican primary candidate. "We are kidding ourselves when we believe spying, intrigue and outright military intervention can maintain our international status as a superpower while our domestic economy crumbles in an orgy of debt and monetary debasement."
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 04:31 pm
@High Seas,
We want to know how we get out of the orgy of debt without causing further debasement.
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High Seas
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 04:42 pm
@hingehead,
hingehead wrote:

I think the word 'charge' is causing the problem between you and high seas. The women can 'charge' Assange (meaning: blame/claim) without the police 'charging' him (meaning: formally arrest and prosecute him for the alleged crimes).

Thanks very much - that was the misunderstanding exactly and I had given up explaining it to DJ. But making false statements to police is itself a crime (in the US, not sure about Sweden) so if the women's allegations are dropped does Assange have the right to sue for defamation of character? If so, where?
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 05:38 pm
@High Seas,
False imprisonment as well. Abduction. Perjury. Defamation of character. Restraint of trade. With costs.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 05:45 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Quote:
So we know have another force at play in this international drama who would seek to intimidate news outlets, financial corporations and even governments in order that they behave in a way that suits goals of this new force.


Good! How is this materially different than the way Corporations, governments and even News Outlets seek to intimidate everyone else to accomplish their goals?

Cycloptichorn


I'm not quite sure, however I do know that The Forces of Transparent Truth find it to be despicable when it is directed against Assange and WikiLeaks, and I wonder if they feel the same way about these tactics when they are employed by The Forces Of Assange Lionization.

Apparently you do not.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 05:47 pm
@spendius,
I'm sure it will, but I'm not sure what carnage it will leave in its wake.

Spilling hundreds of thousands of credit card account number onto the Web can be very disruptive as a whole, and damaging to individuals.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 05:51 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Do you think these people are bothered about those things when they have their back to cover?
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Wed 15 Dec, 2010 06:15 pm
@failures art,
failures art wrote:

What do you mean by "strategically?"

Also, unless Time altered it's policy this year, what is there to suggest that the selection of Zuckerburg is strategic? And what do you perceive is the objective of said strategy?


As someone mentioned before, selecting Zuckerberg will have virtually no
backlash on time magazine, as he a) defied the government and gave wikileaks a platform to publish and b) facebook has 500 million active users - they like
facebook and they like what he did for wikileaks. So, it was a good strategy
of time magazine to choose Zuckerberg as he'll generate the least amount of outcry from Assange supporters.
 

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