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WikiLeaks about to hit the fan

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 09:51 am
@msolga,
Quote:
3.46pm: More on the bail conditions.

• Surety of £240,000
• Curfew from 10am-2pm and 10pm-2am
• Assange must report to the police station every day at 6pm

3.36pm: Hang on. Swedish prosecutors plan to launch an appeal against the decision to grant Assange bail. They have two hours to do lodge an appeal. Assange will not be freed until that process is over.

A lawyer for Assange predicted that the he won't be released tonight, according to Mostrous.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/dec/14/wikileaks-julian-assange-court-appeal-live-updates
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 09:52 am
@DrewDad,
It still applies to US citizens only, DrewDad, although it might be a crime in other countries as well, it is up to them to prosecute.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 09:56 am
DER SPIEGEL also reported that Assange is freed on bail, will have to wear
an ankle bracelet, had to surrender his passport, and make his address and whereabouts known to police. The judge made his decision after hearing both
sides (lawyers/prosecutor).

This was the right thing to do - kudos to the judge!!
msolga
 
  1  
Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 09:59 am
@msolga,
Quote:
3.36pm: Hang on. Swedish prosecutors plan to launch an appeal against the decision to grant Assange bail. They have two hours to do lodge an appeal. Assange will not be freed until that process is over.


I'm thinking that the Swedish authorities will most likely lodge an appeal ... which will lead to further court proceedings ... & further delays in Assange going free.

We'll know whether they do or not in a couple of hours.

But this is very positive news indeed! Very Happy
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 10:03 am
@CalamityJane,
Julian Assange will remain in custody as prosecutors have two hours to lodge an appeal against bail. 2 hours isn't a long time to come up with a plausible reason
to keep Assange in jail, especially since this sort of "rape" - sex without condom - is not a crime in England.
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 10:10 am
@CalamityJane,
Jane, we're repeating each other, in our excitement! Smile
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 10:16 am
Extract from a lengthy Guardian article on today's decision.:

Quote:
Assange's lawyer, Geoffrey Robertson, asked the city of Westminster magistrates court in London for bail on the following conditions: £200,000 in security, surety from two people, a curfew, daily reporting to police and surrender of his passport.

The judge granted the conditions, and gave lawyers representing Sweden two hours to lodge an appeal. Even if an appeal is not lodged, it is likely that Assange will remain in custody tonight anyway.

A full extradition hearing is scheduled for January 11.

"We doubt whether this actual category of rape would be rape under English law," said Robertson, a former appeals judge at the UN special court for Sierra Leone, and whose former clients include author Salman Rushdie.

Appearing for the Swedish authorities, Gemma Lindfield, argued that Assange should not be given bail as the charges were serious and there was a real possibility of Assange taking flight. "This is not a case about WikiLeaks, rather a case about alleged serious offenses against two women," she said. Unlike Robertson, she said the allegations were serious and Assange had only weak ties to Britain and "the means and ability to abscond". .....


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/14/julian-assange-wikileaks
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 10:45 am
The sex offense laws in Sweden are more strict and more nuanced than anywhere in Europe. This has been a recent legislative development in Sweden. A few years ago an international group criticized Sweden for discouraging women to come forward in such cases. Now, the reporting of such charges are much higher in Sweden than any other country. I want Assange to be treated fairly, but no one should blame the two women. They are following a recent trend in their own country.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 10:58 am
Stop press. Swedish prosecution shitbags are not appealing bail decision. Latest is that £200 grand has to be paid in to the court in cash and Mr Assange is out.

Chickenfeed. I could raise that myself in an hour.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 11:04 am
The reason I'm not surprised by any of this **** is that I never thought we have freedom of speech or expression in the first place. The idea is just a fanciful self-indulgence to make people feel better and as long as they don't cross any important lines. We are free to be good.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 11:05 am
@wandeljw,
wandeljw wrote:

The sex offense laws in Sweden are more strict and more nuanced than anywhere in Europe. This has been a recent legislative development in Sweden. A few years ago an international group criticized Sweden for discouraging women to come forward in such cases. Now, the reporting of such charges are much higher in Sweden than any other country. I want Assange to be treated fairly, but no one should blame the two women. They are following a recent trend in their own country.


Right wandel. However, one of the alleged victims has closed her case long
before Sweden set out to prosecute Assange. She in fact is no longer in Sweden,
she's a Christian missionary in Jordan and has repeatedly said that she
does not want to accuse Assange of rape. I read that in the German papers
and see if I can find something in English to the fact.
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 11:15 am
@wandeljw,
Ah Huffington Post writes it to...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/09/anna-ardin-julian-assange_n_794285.html

Quote:
The rape accusations against Julian Assange may be falling apart as one of his accusers leaves Sweden. Anna Ardin, one of two women behind the rape charges against the WIkiLeaks founder, may no longer be cooperating with prosecutors, the Australian website Crikey reports.


Here is the Crikey report, Huffington post is referencing from
http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/09/rundle-r-pe-case-complainant-has-left-sweden-may-have-ceased-co-operating/
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 11:41 am
It's an utter disgrace. Females in the Swedish prosection service just wanted to be in the news talking about ovaries as Bernard Shaw predicted would happen.

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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 11:45 am
@CalamityJane,
Julian Assange may very well turn out to be the news story that never was.
spendius
 
  2  
Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 12:03 pm
@dyslexia,
Stop stop press. The Swedish hysterics have changed their minds.
JPB
 
  1  
Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 12:14 pm
@spendius,
I wonder if they came to that decision all by themselves.
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JTT
 
  0  
Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 12:40 pm
@hingehead,
You missed the small print, Hinge. [in blue]

The Right to Remain Silent. The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution gives every person the right not to answer questions asked by a police officer or government agent. Unless a "president" [which we ought to hold in respect] decides to override the Constitution and permit his lackeys to beat the "truth" out of you, then the 5th A becomes temporarily null and void.

The Right to Advocate for Change. The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution protects the rights of groups and individuals who advocate changes in laws, government practices, and even the form of government. However, the INS can target non-citizens for deportation because of their First Amendment activities, as long as it could deport them for other reasons.

This doesn't mean that foreigners have any legal right to point out to the government of the USA that the government of the USA has engaged in and is engaging in terrorist activities against small defenceless countries.

Quote:

Cuban Five

...

In 1960s and 1970s, there were many acts of terrorism against Cuba by US-based counterrevolutionary exile groups such as Coordination of United Revolutionary Organizations (CORU), Alpha 66, and Omega 7. In a 2001 report by Cuba's Permanent Mission to the United Nations, the Cuban government cataloged 3,478 deaths as a result of "terrorism", "aggression", "acts of piracy and other actions".[7] The events cited span the course of four decades and pertain to attacks such as the bombing of Cubana Flight 455 by men trained by the Central Intelligence Agency, the CIA-supported Bay of Pigs invasion, and the War Against the Bandits between the government and anti-communist rebels in the Escambray Mountains (see also Operation Mongoose; and United States and state terrorism, Cuba, 1959-present). As a result, the Cuban government had long sought to combat these groups. Their efforts include the use of spies sent to operate in the US.[8] The FBI and other U.S. organizations had been monitoring the activities of Cuban spy suspects for more than 30 years.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Five


Another link:

National Committee to Free the Cuban Five
http://www.freethefive.org/





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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 12:53 pm
@wandeljw,
Quote:
I want Assange to be treated fairly, but no one should blame the two women. They are following a recent trend in their own country.


Or, possibly, they, or other people who ought to know better are taking advantage of it to launch spurious charges.

It really is odd, crazy actually. Here's a guy who we may well see ending up exposing horrific crimes [which anyone with half a brain already knows exist, right, JW?] and he has this quickly seen the inside of a jail cell.

I wonder how the US investigation is going into the war crimes and felonies of GWB and the gang. Any comments on that, JW?
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 01:40 pm
I certainly do not understand Sweden's position here. I wonder what the U.S.
has promised them in exchange for Assange...

In the meantime at the courthouse...

Quote:
Sweden's decision means that the next legal arguments will be heard at the court of appeal. No time has yet been fixed.

Assange entered Westminster court one at 2.12pm looking paler than at a previous hearing last week, and wearing a dark jacket and open-necked white shirt. With so much press interest, people were given permission to stand; in a break with tradition, journalists were allowed to tweet the proceedings.

Amid chaotic scenes, Robertson, who cut short a holiday in Australia to be in court, had to bang on the door to get in.


guardian.co.uk
JTT
 
  0  
Reply Tue 14 Dec, 2010 01:50 pm
@CalamityJane,
Quote:
Assange entered Westminster court one at 2.12pm looking paler than at a previous hearing last week, and wearing a dark jacket and open-necked white shirt.


If the US had its way, he would be in an orange jumpsuit, shackled at the feet with his hands shackled at the waist. This is how they treat many who appear in court in the US, you know, those who are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

 

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