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@Builder,

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Isn't that why help never really arrived in New Orleans for a week or so?

LOL and NO............

@BillRM,

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LOL and NO............

Bill, Australia's gov offered help, and so did Cubas. Both knocked back. We had Australian tourists there putting up photos of the damage, and they repeatedly got pulled off the web.

The prez's comment that "Browny was doing a great job" got panned because basically nothing had been done, short of herding a lot of people into a stadium where rapes and brutality were the order of the day.

You really think this is funny?

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@Builder,

I think that the government on a numbers of levels were incompetence from the Federal, to the state and the local government but it have nothing to do with the old north/south divide.

Add to that the people in trouble was of the lower class that tend not to get the services they deserve with special note of when the Republicans are in power.

As far as accepting help from outside the country we never do that dating back to the San Francisco earthquake in 1909 when China offer aid and we surely would not have taken aid from Cuba.

However all any US citizen would or could do is laugh at the idea that our civil war a hundred and 47 years in the past had anything to do with the matter.

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@BillRM,

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we surely would not have taken aid from Cuba.

Of course you wouldn't. That would just highlight the US's glaring hypocrisy. After more than a half century of terrorism against Cuba, that tiny country still offers the US help.

The US, in contrast, pretends that it has received some small slight from some country, or it manufactures other lies and it then bombs the **** out of any country it wishes. All the while proclaiming loudly that it has come to save the very people it then tortures and murders.

Of Cuba and the US it's pretty damn clear which one is the more moral, which one is the better world citizen. Cuba helps the world's poor, the US murders them and steals their resources.

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@BillRM,

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Add to that the people in trouble was of the lower class that tend not to get the services they deserve with special note of when the Republicans are in power.

New Orleans is an internationally famous tourist destination, Bill. Not to mention one of the shining lights of culture in the music world.

As an aside its a multicultural foodies heaven, and a mecca for blues and jazz musicians.

You think these people are somehow below you?

Why do you think these people are below you?

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@Builder,

My my adding words to my post so you can find some excuse to attack me. Shame on you..........

What News Orleans happen to be as a culture center is beside the point as it was sadly the lower economic class of the city that found itself trap in the city with special note of sport stadium most others had gotten out of the city before the storm hit.

I never claim it was right or proper that the government, with once more special note of when the GOP is in charge, does not tend to care as must when the poor are in trouble and it is my opinion that if middle class or above was in that sport stadium help would had arrive must sooner.

None of the above opinions however mean that I am happy over the poor receiving help at a slower pace then others in society.

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@BillRM,

No words were added to your post, Bill.

Where am I attacking you, Bill?

We are discussing an issue of utmost importance to real people, and you are thinking that this is all about you?

Are you a teenager, Bill? Or an adult?

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@BillRM,

What annoy me is that I can see no reason why a few flying crane helicopters could not had airlifted enough supplies and security into the stadium to had prevented most of the suffering that did occur.

However once more this have nothing to do with any hard feelings over the civil war.

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@Builder,

You did add the words needed to somehow get the idea that I do not care for people because of their economic standing or that I somehow approved of the government acting in a slower manner when it come to the poor being in trouble compare to others!!!!!!!!!

Once more shame on you for playing such games.

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@BillRM,

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As far as accepting help from outside the country we never do that

did you forget that Canadian snow plows and operators and power utility workers make fairly regular trips to help out in the U.S. ?

some power utility workers were just in the Northeast following SS Sandy.

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@BillRM,

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As far as accepting help from outside the country we never do that

Canadians and Canadian search and rescue dogs were in NYC following 9-11, and in New Orleans following Katrina. The U.S. doesn't seem to have any trouble accepting help.

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@ehBeth,

We do not get massive aid from foreign sources for our disasters and had turn such aid away for all of our history even if a few Canadian rescue dogs teams can be pointed to!!!!!

How dishonest/silly can some people be to pointed to a few rescue teams from Canada and state that prove that the US had accepted any large scale aid in dealing with any of our internal disasters.

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@ehBeth,

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did you forget that Canadian snow plows and operators and power utility workers make fairly regular trips to help out in the U.S. ?

some power utility workers were just in the Northeast following SS Sandy.

Oh the agreements between electric power companies, that share the same large area power network, to aid each other that reach across the US border also mean that we accept large scale help also? Is that what you are trying to sell?

Railroads also had that same type of agreements and I am not sure but I would bet airlines have similar mutual aid agreements.

Get real.................................

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@BillRM,

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sorry dear heart but you said

BillRM wrote:

As far as accepting help from outside the country we never do that

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and now you're back-pedalling

<shrug>

you, my friend, need to learn a new dance step

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@ehBeth,

Sorry I should had said meaningful aid that go well beyond a few dog rescue teams , and does not cover private company to company mutual aid agreements between companies that share the same infrastructure such as the power and railroad networks that both cross the common border.

But then one would assume that the meaning of not accepting aid does not cover either minor aid or private aid between private companies that is if all parties are debating in good faith and not playing meaningless games.

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@ehBeth,

If the agreements are between industrial corporations which have cross-border interests the "help" is commercial and associated with the profits and franchises involved. Such "help" in no way constitutes national aid from one country to another such as we have seen US aid going into various far flung disasters.

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@spendius,

She and people like her know better but are playing meaningless games and I would love for them to come up with one example of the type of aid the US had provide to half the nations on this earth in their times of needs given and or accepted by the US from other nations.

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@wandeljw,

“For reasons stated in the memorandum of the United States, unsealing of the documents at this time would damage an ongoing criminal investigation,” O’Grady, head "justice" of the star chamber, ruled.

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@wandeljw,

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Ecuador has granted Assange asylum, claiming that if Assange is returned to Sweden to face questioning in a sex crimes investigation he’ll be shipped to the United States to face prosecution in connection to WikiLeaks.

Ecuador, being one of the countries that has suffered enormously at the hands of US terrorism knows well just how duplicitous the US is, just what evil the US is capable of.

Herr Wandel knows well of this US behavior and yet he constantly seeks to provide cover for these war criminals/terrorists.

It is exceedingly perplexing as to why he would do such a thing.

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