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WikiLeaks about to hit the fan

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2011 06:10 pm
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

And anyway--he's a bloke and blokes should stick together to defend a fellow sufferer from the baseless charges of immoral and promiscuous females.


Who says misogyny can't be funny?

You have daughters spendy?

spendius
 
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Reply Mon 17 Jan, 2011 06:16 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I don't actually Finn and I'm very thankful for it. Somebody should undertake a study of early heart attacks in men with 2 or 3 daughters compared with the average non-smoking, non-drinking and non-gambling males who are not subjected to the same pressures.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 18 Jan, 2011 06:15 pm
I just heard the 24 hour news cycle referred to as a form of Wikileaks. That is, I suppose, stuff getting out before being responsibly considered on the basis that the paying public are avid for such things.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2011 11:08 am
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/19/wikileaks-white-house-state-department

State Dept. concludes that no real damage occurred due to wikileaks release of docs.

Cycloptichorn
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2011 11:17 am
@Cycloptichorn,
good read.

thanks
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 19 Jan, 2011 12:04 pm
Quote:
A congressional official briefed on the reviews told Reuters news agency that the administration felt compelled to say publicly that the revelations had seriously damaged American interests in order to bolster legal efforts to shut down the WikiLeaks website and bring charges against the leakers. "I think they want to present the toughest front they can muster," the official said.


So they lied through their teeth, surprise surprise!
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failures art
 
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Reply Thu 20 Jan, 2011 04:57 am
@Cycloptichorn,
I think things like this are a large sign confirming what I said a long time ago that Assange is not going to ever see a trial in the US. Many here were so set on the idea that unlike the Australians, we'd simply investigate until we got what we wanted. This is a sign that says that the US is starting to move on from this. Assange is not going to be charged with anything here.

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wandeljw
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 11:46 am
This news report is not about WikiLeaks, but rather the general issue of privacy rights versus the right to information.

Quote:
Court seems unimpressed by 'corporate privacy'
(By Tony Mauro, First Amendment Center legal correspondent, January 20, 2011)

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court heard arguments yesterday in a key Freedom of Information Act case, leaving the strong impression that it would rule against corporations that sought to shield documents from the public under the guise of “personal privacy.”

In the case of FCC v. AT&T, the telecom giant invoked an FOIA exemption that protects from disclosure those documents that would constitute “an unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.” AT&T was hoping to shield from competitors documents about disclosures it made to the FCC about possible overcharges. The government countered that the exemption protects only “individual human beings,” not corporations, but the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in favor of the company.

The case attracted more than usual interest because it raises the controversial issue of corporate personhood, stirred up by last year’s decision in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. That ruling treated corporations like people in the context of First Amendment protection for political speech.

But the justices yesterday seemed unlikely to rule for corporations-as-persons in the FOIA context. Justices including Antonin Scalia and Stephen Breyer attacked AT&T’s position, and only Justice Samuel Alito Jr. seemed sympathetic to the company’s broad view of personhood.

Chief Justice John Roberts Jr. gave support to the government position when he read from a personal list of adjectives whose roots are in nouns that have a different meaning. The list was meant to counter AT&T’s argument that because the adjective "personal" has the noun "person" in it, the phrase "personal privacy" should protect all entities included in the FOIA's definition of "person" – which includes foreign and domestic corporations and even state and local governments.

“I tried to sit down and come up with other examples where the adjective was very different from the root noun," said Roberts. "Craft" does not equate with "crafty,' Roberts noted, just as "squirrel" and "squirrelly" and "pastor" and "pastoral" have divergent meanings. Roberts' recitation of the words drew laughs, and seemed to clinch his vote against AT&T.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg challenged Geoffrey Klineberg, the lawyer for AT&T, to give an example of the kind of document he wanted to protect that would not be covered by other FOIA exemptions, such as those shielding confidential financial information and trade secrets. Klineberg offered an example that could have come from WikiLeaks: e-mails between corporate officials “in a frank exchange about the competence and intelligence of a would-be regulator of the corporation.”

Scalia interrupted angrily, “Excuse me. Why does that relate to their privacy?” He added, “Anything that would embarrass the corporation is - is a privacy interest?” Klineberg said it could be if it would damage the reputation and goodwill of the company. But he said the company’s invocation of personal privacy would not automatically shield such a document; privacy would still have to be weighed against other interests.

Later Breyer asked why in the 35-year history of the FOIA, no other corporation had invoked the personal privacy exemption.

Klineberg said gamely that that was "one of the things that has puzzled us in this case."

Breyer guessed that the reason was that corporations are protected by other exemptions that shield trade secrets and other kinds of corporate information filed with the government.

At which point Scalia chimed in, “Another reason might be that nobody ever thought that personal privacy would cover this.”

After the argument, even Doug Kendall, the Constitutional Accountability Center president who has been most critical of what he sees as the Court's pro-business tilt, was ready to declare a rare victory. "The Court today appeared appropriately skeptical of AT&T's astonishing assertion that it has the same personal privacy rights as individuals," said Kendall.

News organizations, accustomed to opposing the government in FOIA cases, this time sided with the FCC in its view that personal privacy protects only people. Ruling for AT&T’s position would “severely inhibit the public’s ability to keep a check on corporate behavior and government regulatory functions,” the news media brief led by the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press asserted. “This Court should not indulge corporations in any attempt to circumvent FOIA for fear of negative publicity.”

“This bid to extend the FOIA’s 'personal privacy' protections to entities other than individuals is, colloquially speaking, about as meritless as they come,” wrote Dan Metcalfe in separate brief filed by the Collaboration on Government Secrecy at American University. Metcalfe is the former director of the Justice Department’s office of information and privacy, which advises federal agencies on FOIA.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 12:03 pm
@wandeljw,
wandel, Thanks for sharing the info.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 02:21 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It's hardly a drama ci. It's more in the way of a fuss.

It is one of the great artistic beauties of the American Constitution to have provided for a satisfying outlet for the urges of the barrack-room lawyer type which prevents them getting too much in the way of dynamic, businesslike entrepreneurship and bringing it to an end it assuredly does not deserve.

Something unimportant to fuss about. People say that young ladies were taught to knit, embroider and crochet and to play the spinet for the very same reason. That they were dangerous when they had nothing to do.

That's quite a tasty comparison I think.

"False hearted judges dyin' in the webs that they spin."

Bob Dylan. I wonder how much money Bob has made for the US Treasury.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 04:25 pm
Tom the Dancing Bug looks at Assange in prison:

http://www.gocomics.com/tomthedancingbug/2010/12/17/
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 24 Jan, 2011 08:45 pm
I'm not surprised that there's no discernible link between Assange and Manning.

Quote:
U.S. military officials tell NBC News that investigators have been unable to make any direct connection between a jailed army private suspected with leaking secret documents and Julian Assange, founder of the whistleblowing website WikiLeaks.

The officials say that while investigators have determined that Manning had allegedly unlawfully downloaded tens of thousands of documents onto his own computer and passed them to an unauthorized person, there is apparently no evidence he passed the files directly to Assange, or had any direct contact with the controversial WikiLeaks figure. More
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2011 11:20 am
The New York Times published executive editor Bill Keller's full account of the paper's dealings with Julian Assange and WikiLeaks online, intended for the NYT Magazine's cover story this weekend. (Spiegel/spiegel-online and The Guardian published similar reports.)

NYT-report: Dealing With Assange and the Secrets He Spilled
JPB
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2011 11:45 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Very interesting. Still reading... but I see that Keller is also selling the expanded story as an e-book. Everybody gets to make a buck, I suppose.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2011 11:51 am
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

... but I see that Keller is also selling the expanded story as an e-book. Everybody gets to make a buck, I suppose.


The Spiegel journalists Stark and Rosenbach published a book as well ... Wink
Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2011 11:56 am
@Walter Hinteler,
yup.

everyone is getting in on the act...
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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2011 11:59 am
Things have been awfully quiet lately - or blissfully quiet, depending on one's opinion of the entire wikileaks thing. Have they stopped publishing cables since the arrest?
djjd62
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2011 12:02 pm
@JPB,
well, some of the news reports i've seen recently are stating that wikilieaks information helped bring about the fall of the Tunisian government (cables detailing the lavish lifestyle of the leaders helped incite a people already angry), so i wouldn't say quiet
JPB
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2011 12:04 pm
@djjd62,
Yeah, and that the Egyptians are rioting after the successful ouster of the Tunisian revolt. I suppose larger effects are going to be on-going. I was thinking about the steady stream of new releases we were seeing for a while.
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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jan, 2011 12:09 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
On July 24, the day before the War Logs went live, I attended a farewell party for Roger Cohen, a columnist for The Times and The International Herald Tribune, that was given by Richard Holbrooke, the Obama administration’s special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan. A voracious consumer of inside information, Holbrooke had a decent idea of what was coming, and he pulled me away from the crowd to show me the fusillade of cabinet-level e-mail ricocheting through his BlackBerry, thus demonstrating both the frantic anxiety in the administration and, not incidentally, the fact that he was very much in the loop. The Pakistan article, in particular, would complicate his life. But one of Holbrooke’s many gifts was his ability to make pretty good lemonade out of the bitterest lemons; he was already spinning the reports of Pakistani duplicity as leverage he could use to pull the Pakistanis back into closer alignment with American interests. Five months later, when Holbrooke — just 69, and seemingly indestructible — died of a torn aorta, I remembered that evening. And what I remembered best was that he was as excited to be on the cusp of a big story as I was.


spin, spin, spin! Holbrooke (and presumably the rest of the administration) was busy coming up with how to use this to their best advantage. Lemonade, my ass!
 

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