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Why does God create sub standard souls?

 
 
Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 03:38 pm
Why does God create sub standard souls?

In the beginning, God judged his creations good. Gen 1; 31

Scripture says that God is perfect and that his works are as well. Matt 5; 48, Deu 32; 4
Many do not think that things are particularly good or perfect yet scripture says they must be. Matt 7; 18

You will likely agree with those who say that there is more evil than good in the world. I tend to disagree but few see things as I do.
Many think that things are bad but that they are going exactly the way God wants and if you are in this camp, I thank you for your opinion and discard it as quite illogical.

In fact, if you look at the system God created from afar, you would have to say, if theist opinion is true, that God has screwed up fairly badly because more of the souls he is reported to love, go to hell rather than heaven. You might also wonder why God could not control heaven when only the angels were there and why he also lost control of the earth and had to use genocide on man in Noah’s day. God, after all, is supposed to be master of all, yet things do not go his way.

This observation of our system being corrupted, that you likely see, contradicts scripture and God’s judgment of good, which is upgraded to perfect. Deu 32; 4

The logic trail of the scriptures quoted says that the initial perfection or good that God created will maintain itself in that condition and pass it up over time. It cannot backslide.

It happens that some have asked themselves this before. A group of Jews whose culture was instrumental in shaping Christian belief. Scripture is based on their theories of God. I do not know if you would give them regard for a higher insight because of that but I give you this link to help jog the mind. I would not call it entertaining so much as enlightening. In fact, if you are not disturbed by it you will not likely be able to contribute a sound answer to this post. Unfortunately, I do not have the complete series but I do have the pertinent part. They found that God was guilty of abandoning them.
It appears that God has also abandoned the rest of us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

For those who think that God should not be judged, I offer this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU

Adults can and should judge God’s performance.

As bad as things were for the Jews in the holocaust, I would remind you that about 16,000 of us starve to death daily while God, as in WWII, does nothing. This about equals in one year the number of Jews that were exterminated. We have been losing that many for some years now.

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Who is correct?

God, who judged all things good or perfect.

Or.

Most theists, who think that things are not good or perfect and that they will not get better till end time.

As a bonus question, why can God not produce one obviously good man without pestering a virgin and why does he keep producing sub standard souls or does he make them as perfect as scripture says?

Regards
DL
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 04:04 pm
@Greatest I am,
What god?
NAACP
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 04:24 pm
For all those who still believe in the Christian God I suggest a few videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvRPbsXBVBo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iClejS8vWjo&feature=channel
NAACP
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 05:05 pm
I absolutely LOVE Joseph Campbell now after watching some of his videos! Thank you so much!
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 05:09 pm
i think the better question would be, "Why did so many sub standard souls create God"
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 06:57 pm
@dlowan,
That is so uncooperative on your part.
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 07:41 pm
@Greatest I am,
Read Candide.
hingehead
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2010 04:52 pm
@dlowan,
Come on Deb, you know, the one true god, sorry three, wait ... #!%*#!

What god?
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 08:27 am
@NAACP,
NAACP wrote:

For all those who still believe in the Christian God I suggest a few videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvRPbsXBVBo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iClejS8vWjo&feature=channel


Love it.
This guy is me when I still had hair.
Always nice to see the younger generation cast off gullibility and idiocy.
I have basically given up on the older generation and look forward to a younger brighter one scrapping the old beliefs that myths are real.
Education is the key.

All young seekers and theists should watch and learn from the following as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU

Regards
DL
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Greatest I am
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 08:30 am
@kuvasz,
kuvasz wrote:

Read Candide.


I believe that we are evolving perfection and use the following quite often to try and enlighten others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPClzIsYxvA

Regards
DL
NAACP
 
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Reply Tue 16 Nov, 2010 10:40 am
@Greatest I am,
LOVE Joseph Campbell too, his Be-ing is not only refreshing but is accurate in all of his statements. He explains to us that most of the things done in our youth are "for" something so to speak, we rarely "do" things just for the sake of doing them which I believe is the essance for human freedom(Wow sorry Dasein, I'm just stealing everything from you today!)
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Wed 17 Nov, 2010 12:23 pm
@Greatest I am,
Nice to see that you have picked up the scent of metaphysico-theologo-cosmolonigology. Now compare Pangloss, or such Panglossian attitudes with religious literalists.

These folks, these sanctimonious idolators want teleology. They want 4.55 billion years (6000 years of history) to be inevitably leading to them, right now.

They want to live in a world where everything is best. Or at least could be, without those scientific naturalists mucking things up.

Voltaire concludes his tale of Optimism from Candide with this passage:

Quote:
In the neighborhood lived a famous dervish who passed for the best philosopher in Turkey; they went to consult him: Pangloss, who was their spokesman, addressed him thus:

"Master, we come to entreat you to tell us why so strange an animal as man has been formed?"

"Why do you trouble your head about it?" said the dervish; "is it any business of yours?"

"But, Reverend Father," said Candide, "there is a horrible deal of evil on the earth."

"What signifies it," said the dervish, "whether there is evil or good? When His Highness sends a ship to Egypt does he trouble his head whether the rats in the vessel are at their ease or not?"

"What must then be done?" said Pangloss.

"Be silent," answered the dervish.


btw, for Joseph Campbell fans; to the point made by Voltaire's dervish.

Quote:
People ask me, "Do you have optimism about the world, about how terrible it is?" And I say, "Yes, it's great the way is it" ... I had the wonderful privilege of sitting face to face with [a Hindu guru] and the first thing he said to me was "Do you have a question?", cause the teacher always answers questions... I said, "Yes, I have a question." I said, " Since in Hindu thinking all the universe is divine, a manifestation of divinity itself, how can we say no to anything in the world? How can we say no to brutality to stupidity to vulgarity to thoughtlessness?" And he said, "For you and me, you must say yes." Well, I learned from my friends who were students of his that that happened to be the first question he asked his guru, and we had a wonderful conversation for an hour there.
Episode 2, Chapter 12.
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