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Good Religion, Bad Religion

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 02:00 pm
@saab,
You are now changing what you originally said about your history teacher, and where you got your learning.

The link I provided goes back 5,000 years when most religions were created. 1763 represents a very small time line in the 5,000 year history of religion and wars - or is that a difficult concept for you to understand?
saab
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 02:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It is not the year 1763 it is 1 thousand 7 hundred sixtythree wars we are talking about
1763 wars, of which 123 (7%) have been classified to involve a religious conflict. Of these 123, 66 wars involved Islam.
What do we know why people fought

What about the 20th century?
How many were killed in religious wars?
How many were killed by their political leaders outside of the war? These 8,000 000 were as a rule not killed of religious reasons but because they just happened to be different.

The worst genocides of the 20th Century 8,000,000
Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000
Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) 23,000,000 (the purges plus Ukraine's famine)
Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII)
Leopold II of Belgium (Congo, 1886-1908)

Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915-20) 1,200,000 Armenians (1915) + 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks (1916-22) + 500,000 Assyrians (1915-20)
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000

(Note: the crimes committed by right-wing dictators have always been easier to track down than the crimes against humanity committed by communist leaders, so the figures for communist leaders like Stalin and Mao increase almost yearly as new secret documents become available. To this day, the Chinese government has not yet disclosed how many people were executed by Mao's red guards during the Cultural Revolution and how many people were killed in Tibet during the Chinese invasion of 1950. We also don't know how many dissidents have been killed by order of Kim Il Sung in North Korea, although presumably many thousands).
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 03:13 pm
@saab,
saab, What are you trying to say? That the killing by political wars absolves religious war killings? What's your point?

Religion is supposed to teach morals. If you can't see the contradiction, there's no help for you!

The topic of this thread is "Good Religion, Bad Religion." It's not about "politics."

My question to you; "what good is religion?" Is religion good? How so?

As I have pointed out earlier, the 5,000 year history of religious killings is the point.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 15 Oct, 2010 06:50 pm
@saab,
Sure, I was giving one example, but my first sentence was general: "I think a lot of good can come from religion and churches/ other organized places of worship."

ChurchES, and other places of worship (temples, mosques, etc.)

Definitely not limiting it to Lutherans.
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saab
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2010 12:52 am
I have looked at your link several times and it does not prove anything about that all wars are about religion.
It shows how religions have spread over 5 000 years and it mentions 7 (seven) wars. During these 5 000 years there has been many more wars going on.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 16 Oct, 2010 10:29 am
@saab,
I never claimed all wars were about religion. Show me?
What the map shows are "how has the geography of religion evolved over the centuries, and where has it sparked wars? Our map gives us a brief history of the world's most well-known religions: Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Judaism. Selected periods of inter-religious bloodshed are also highlighted."

What you fail to see and understand is that the major religions of this world have been involved in bloodshed and wars. This topic, again, is "Good Religion, Bad Religion."

Still confused?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 03:49 am
A religion must be free and un-contrived in and of itself before it is deserving of freedoms under the law.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 6 Dec, 2010 03:54 am
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/12/austrian-mp-ewald-stadler-to-turkish-ambassador-people-are-sick-and-tired-of-the-one-way-street-tole.html
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RexRed
 
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Reply Tue 7 Dec, 2010 01:48 am
No one wants to touch this one huh? Coming to a theater near you... Smile
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