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The Great Apes

 
 
Roberta
 
Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:12 am
I learned a long time ago that the four great apes were gorillas, orang-utans, chimpanzees, and gibbons. I later learned that a subspecies of chimpanzee was the bonobo.

Last night I was watching something on Animal Planet. The information provided was that the four great apes were gorillas, chimpanzees, orang-utans, and bonobos. What happened to gibbons? Have they been reclassified? Are bonobos a separate species from chimps? Is Animal Planet dispensing incorrect information? Or am I the one with the incorrect info?
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:20 am
Well, here's a second opinion:

http://www.greatapeproject.org/
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:24 am
I find gibbons a little second-rate, myself - but please do not tell them so...
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:28 am
dlowan- If the Great Ape project gets off the ground, they're gonna sue your butt off! Laughing
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Roberta
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:29 am
Phoenix, Thanks for the link. It has the same categories as Animal Planet. But are the categories correct? I checked out a few gibbon sites. Each of them refers to gibbons as apes. I'm so confused.

Deb, There's a gibbon exhibit at the Bronx Zoo--Gibbon Island. A group of gibbons living on an island in the Bronx River. I'm gonna race up to the Bronx and tell 'em what you said.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:32 am
Roberta- Please don't. The news might depress them. Let them live with their illusions! Laughing


I WANNA GO TO THE BRONX ZOO. I LOVE THAT PLACE!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:37 am
Heehee - the almost-great ape? The also-ran ape? The second-rate ape?
How do you get to be an ape and not a monkey, anyway?
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:37 am
http://www.nmnh.si.edu/cgi-bin/wdb/msw/common/query


Aw shucks- Gibbons are classified as lesser apes. Do you think that apellation constitutes discrimination? Laughing
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:40 am
I hate when links don't take you to the exact page. Here is the info that I copied:

Quote:
Family Hylobatidae


Author........ : Gray, 1871.

Citation...... : Cat. Monkeys, Lemurs, Fruit-eating Bats Brit. Mus., p. 4.

Common Name... : Gibbons, Lesser Apes.

Original Name. : Hylobatidae.

Distribution.. :SE Asia (Assam, Yunnan to Java, Borneo).


Comments...... : Vaughan (1978ref:39-40) included this family in Pongidae (which is here considered a part of Hominidae); but see Delson and Andrews (1975ref:441) and Thenius (1981ref). Szalay and Delson (1979ref:461) included Hylobatidae in Hominidae.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:40 am
A lesser ape...hmmm....how depressing....
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:43 am
It seems then that the gibbon, who mates for life, is a lesser ape. Hmmm....what does that say about humanity?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:48 am
naked ape...
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:49 am
Anyway, what IS this about mating for life?

For doing this you oughta get to be an Ur-ape?

Let's hear it for polyandry!
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:53 am
dlowan- Polyandry. That is a cheerful thought. One for....................
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 07:54 am
Laughing
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 08:01 am
That will be six for the goose, thankee...never on Sunday...
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Roberta
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 08:41 am
Hey Phoenix, When was the last time you were at the Bronx Zoo. Somehow it just keeps getting better and better.

Lesser ape, but still an ape--not a monkey. I do think that gibbons are being unfairly discriminated against. Gibbons may be smaller than the other apes, but they are phenomenal acrobats. Amazingly agile. I love Gibbon Island.

What about bonobos? Are they a separate species?

My first time in the Science and Math forum and what do I get? Naked apes. Polyandry. Where are the scientists?
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 08:44 am
Here is something scientific, all about the Equitorius...it's a genus and all:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/08/990831080717.htm
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Roberta
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 10:31 am
Muy interesante, Cav. But not the answer to my question. I'm gonna poke around the Web myself.

Thanks for trying. I appreciate it.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2003 10:41 am
Roberta- I have not been to the zoo since I moved from NY 10 years ago. I loved that zoo. Used to go 3-4 times a year.

When I make my annual trip to NY this summer, I am going to make it my business to go to the zoo!
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