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The True Identity of Jesus

 
 
xexon
 
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Reply Sun 12 Apr, 2009 09:02 am
@Fatihah,
Maybe he's talking about yeast? Makes sense.

Happy Yeaster!!!!! The bread has risen!!!!!



x
Volunteer
 
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Reply Sun 12 Apr, 2009 12:36 pm
@Numpty,
Numpty;65000 wrote:
show me Very Happy


Smack into the earth, you'll meet Him. I Garuntee it.
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Volunteer
 
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Reply Sun 12 Apr, 2009 12:36 pm
@xexon,
xexon;65002 wrote:
Maybe he's talking about yeast? Makes sense.

Happy Yeaster!!!!! The bread has risen!!!!!

x


Unleavend bread bud.
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Campbell34
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 02:48 pm
@Numpty,
Numpty;64344 wrote:
There is no evidence outside of the Bible to support the existence of Jesus. If you can produce eyewitness accounts of Jesus then I am happy to believe there was a man called jesus.

So far no-one has been able to.

Strange do you not think that there is not one single eyewitness account of the Son of God?


Once you prove there was a man called Jesus, the next step for you is demonstrating him as everything you have stated above.


Thallus, who was a Samaritian born historian who worked in Rome in 52 AD tried to explain away the darkness which occured during Christ Crucifixion. His account, which was recorded in the third book of his histories not only confirmed the existance of Jesus Christ. It also confirmed the darkness that came over the earth. And Christ death on the cross. And it confirmed that the darkness came over the earth at the exact time Christ died on the cross. And of course, his account confirms the Biblical account.
Numpty
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 03:01 pm
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;68083 wrote:
Thallus, who was a Samaritian born historian who worked in Rome in 52 AD tried to explain away the darkness which occured during Christ Crucifixion. His account, which was recorded in the third book of his histories not only confirmed the existance of Jesus Christ. It also confirmed the darkness that came over the earth. And Christ death on the cross. And it confirmed that the darkness came over the earth at the exact time Christ died on the cross. And of course, his account confirms the Biblical account.


Interesting.

Links and supporting evidence please.
Campbell34
 
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Reply Tue 18 Aug, 2009 04:01 pm
@Numpty,
Numpty;68084 wrote:
Interesting.

Links and supporting evidence please.


http://www.christian-thinktank.com/jrthal.html
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 09:04 am
@Campbell34,


Christian think tank?

You don't honestly expect us to take this as a real source do you? Maybe you have a source without an inherent agenda?
Campbell34
 
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Reply Wed 19 Aug, 2009 03:12 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;68100 wrote:
Christian think tank?

You don't honestly expect us to take this as a real source do you? Maybe you have a source without an inherent agenda?


Oh please, Julius Africanus was a real historical figure who's writings are well respected among ancient historical scholars. If you believe the source had an inherent agenda, it could of been, and would of been exposed at the time of their writing. The fact is, Africanus was not argueing over the existance of Christ, or his death on the cross. It was over the 3 hours of darkness that occured during the Crucifixion. It was the Roman historian Thallus who would of had first hand knowledge, and may of experienced the 3 hours of darkness himself. And Thallus who lived back then tried to explain away the 3 hours of darkness as nothing more than an eclipse of the sun. Julius was simply pointing out that this opinion stated by the Roman Thallus was wrong, because eclipses could not occur at Passover when the moon is full, and there fore diametically oppsite the Sun. There was no arguement about if the darkness occured. It was just a question between the two as the reason for it. And it was the Roman Thallus who called it a feaful darkness, and also speaks about the great earthquake that also occured in Jerusalem at the time of the Crucifixion. Here again, this was common knowledge back then and confirms the Biblical account. This came from Roman records, and it was from these records that Julius Africanus quoted from. Fragments of Thallus can be viewed on Wikipedia. You could view them from any other historical account as well. Yet Wikipedia clearly shows this one account under fragments of Thallus No. 4. Link would not take, but Wikipedia speaks of Thallus and his existing fragments from his writings.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Thu 20 Aug, 2009 07:42 am
@Campbell34,
Campbell34;68112 wrote:
Oh please, Julius Africanus was a real historical figure who's writings are well respected among ancient historical scholars. If you believe the source had an inherent agenda, it could of been, and would of been exposed at the time of their writing. The fact is, Africanus was not argueing over the existance of Christ, or his death on the cross. It was over the 3 hours of darkness that occured during the Crucifixion. It was the Roman historian Thallus who would of had first hand knowledge, and may of experienced the 3 hours of darkness himself. And Thallus who lived back then tried to explain away the 3 hours of darkness as nothing more than an eclipse of the sun. Julius was simply pointing out that this opinion stated by the Roman Thallus was wrong, because eclipses could not occur at Passover when the moon is full, and there fore diametically oppsite the Sun. There was no arguement about if the darkness occured. It was just a question between the two as the reason for it. And it was the Roman Thallus who called it a feaful darkness, and also speaks about the great earthquake that also occured in Jerusalem at the time of the Crucifixion. Here again, this was common knowledge back then and confirms the Biblical account. This came from Roman records, and it was from these records that Julius Africanus quoted from. Fragments of Thallus can be viewed on Wikipedia. You could view them from any other historical account as well. Yet Wikipedia clearly shows this one account under fragments of Thallus No. 4. Link would not take, but Wikipedia speaks of Thallus and his existing fragments from his writings.


I was talking about your website, it's not a reliable source.

And for the record Homer was a real historical person who made many writings respected by historians and yet nobody has found Atlantis.
synthy
 
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Reply Wed 30 Sep, 2009 08:51 pm
@Fatihah,
Yeshu - A Talmudic Tale

A story about a man named Yeshu can be found in the Talmud. There is debate whether this Yeshu in the Talmud is the same Jesus who later became a Christian divinity.

According to the Talmud, Yeshu was the son of a Jewish woman named Miriam who was betrothed to a carpenter. "Betrothed" means she was legally married to him, but she was not yet living with him or having sexual relations with him. The story says that Miriam was either raped by or voluntarily slept with Pandeira, a Greek or Roman soldier. Miriam than gave birth to Yeshu, who was considered a "mamzer" (bastard), a product of an adulterous relationship. The Talmud describes Yeshu as a heretic who dabbled in sorcery and lead the people astray. Later, the Sanhedrin (the Jewish "Supreme Court") ordered Yeshu stoned to death and his dead body was hung from a tree until nightfall after his death, in accordance with the ancient Jewish punishment for heretics.
While some believe there is no connection between the Talmudic Yeshu and the Christian Jesus, others believe there is a connection. The main inconsistency between the Talmudic and Christian story is that during the time that Jesus was killed, the Romans ruled and the Sanhedrin did not have the power to impose the death penalty. Thus, some Jews believe that today's popular Christian ideas about Jesus are based on a melding of the Talmudic story of Yeshu and the historian Josephus' writing about Jesus, which included his execution by the Romans.
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kynaston
 
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Reply Fri 2 Oct, 2009 11:23 pm
@Fatihah,
Fatihah;64364 wrote:
Response: Well here's a question. Why is Santa Clause so widely acknowledged as a fictional character and Jesus is not? Also, I'm sure you believe you have great-great- great-great- grandparents right? If so, how do you know? You can't provide any eyewitnesses can you?


Well, for a start, nobody ever died for a belief in Santa Claus, and everyone has always known that this is a game for children, to teach them never to believe authority. Clearly Jesus existed, and something dramatic happened after his execution, but, since there is no God, the explanatory notions current at the time won't suit us. As to my great-great-great great-grandparents, there are pretty good records for most of them, and if you want to be bored to death with the evidence, be in touch! Smile
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Petey J
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2009 02:44 pm
@Numpty,
Numpty;64344 wrote:
There is no evidence outside of the Bible to support the existence of Jesus. If you can produce eyewitness accounts of Jesus then I am happy to believe there was a man called jesus.

So far no-one has been able to.

Strange do you not think that there is not one single eyewitness account of the Son of God?


Once you prove there was a man called Jesus, the next step for you is demonstrating him as everything you have stated above.


There were eyewitnesses, the Gospel writers. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. They wrote for posterity.
Numpty
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2009 08:18 pm
@Petey J,
Petey J.;68707 wrote:
There were eyewitnesses, the Gospel writers. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. They wrote for posterity.


Really? Amazing isn't, that jesus managed to find the only 12 literate people in that area?

Their accounts differ somewhat, plus you need to provise supporting evidence,...there isn't any, unless you have it?
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synthy
 
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Reply Wed 21 Oct, 2009 11:09 am
@Fatihah,
Just force the Vatican to lift the non disclosure clauses on the translations of original scriptures and they and JC marketing will be out of the buisness.
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Campbell34
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jan, 2010 12:12 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;68134 wrote:
I was talking about your website, it's not a reliable source.

And for the record Homer was a real historical person who made many writings respected by historians and yet nobody has found Atlantis.


Julius Africanus account can be found in numerous places. So you can't blame my web site. And who is to say Atlantis was not a real place?
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dson
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jan, 2010 06:46 pm
@xexon,
xexon;64338 wrote:
There is enough historical evidence to suggest that someone named Jesus did indeed exist.

The fact that he was crucified in the manner of Jews lends further evidence to his lineage.

I strongly disagree with the Christian idea of Jesus. It puts a great distance between Jesus and regular people. Jesus was regular people. Who had a remarkable experience that all are worthy of.

Christians have made a mess of things. You don't need this religion. You just need to be aware of you natural attraction to your source.

Clinging to this human self portrait is the problem.

To know God, and the thread that ties it all together, you have to let go and jump in. You'll swim back to your human self later. A changed person. But you've got to be brave enough to jump out of the nest.

How are you going to fly otherwise?




x


Actually there is no proof only a book and letters which for all anyone living knows are all just a tale.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jan, 2010 10:39 pm
@Petey J,
Petey J.;68707 wrote:
There were eyewitnesses, the Gospel writers. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. They wrote for posterity.


We don't really know who wrote what. Whoever wrote these works waited a long time after jesus was said to have died. These stories were passed on orally for over a decade before anything was written down.
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