Holes in the Plot: The Flood of Genesis

*I* am willing to consider ANYTHING (except the Scientologists). I'll say right now that yes, perhaps there is a big guy out there playing a game of Sims that is our universe. Could very well be possible.

However, given things at face value, science wins. They've been right with quite a bit, ya know. They've been right with a lot of things that you guys particularly didn't like. The whole "Earth is not at the center of the Universe" was a big one back in it's time. I think people died over that, not entirely sure.

They were right with physics. They've been right with relativity. Electronics they hit spot on. Modern medicine, things we take for granted all day (the Internet), all due to advances in science. So yes, I side with the labcoats.

But now... now that science is taking apart the human body... us, you get all upset. Why? Why are you against science NOW. You've got no problem with anything science has given us or says... except this.

You're afraid they may be right.

Now, science has been wrong. Even Albert Einstein was wrong once or twice. Science admits it's wrong and moves on. But you have to PROVE science is wrong on it's home turf. If you can do that, we will concede your argument.

I don't have a problem with real science, yet the Bible tells us beware of science falsly so called. And this is were Evolution comes into the picture. As far as the Bible goes, there are a number of things spoken of in the Bible that agrees with science, and infact there are things stated before science knew about them. The Bible is not a science Book, yet its truth should guide us to agree with real science. We Christians believe that dinosaurs lived just thousands of years ago, not millions. Now Evolution has stated that dinosaurs died out 70 million years ago. Well then we have the new soft tissue problem. It was not the Christians who had to change their belief, it was the believers in Evolution who were forced to change their theory again. They use to say soft tissue would never be found in dinosaur bones because soft tissue only could last 10,000 years. Now they tell us it can last 70 million years. (What a joke.) There is getting to be so many things that fly in the face of Evolution today, that believers in it almost need to take an obstacle course. Take the discovery at El Toro Mountain in Mexico. In 1944 Waldemar Julsrud who was also the co-discoverer of the Chupicauro culture site. Was ridding his horse when he spotted a partially exposed hewn stone and ceramic objects half buried in the dirt. As it turned out, and after much time thousands of ceramic objects were discovered. This would of been one of the great discoveries of the 20th century. However the problem was, many of these ancient ceramic objects were of dinosaurs. And some of them were of dinosaurs that science had not yet discovered. So science did what it does best when their theory is at risk. They ignored the discovery. Now this is not an isolated event, there is other evidence that refutes the thinking of todays science. Yet this evidence just like what was found at El Toro Mountain is ignored as well. I will post the link below, hope it works for you.

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I don't have a problem with real science, yet the Bible tells us beware of science falsly so called. And this is were Evolution comes into the picture. As far as the Bible goes, there are a number of things spoken of in the Bible that agrees with science, and infact there are things stated before science knew about them. The Bible is not a science Book, yet its truth should guide us to agree with real science. We Christians believe that dinosaurs lived just thousands of years ago, not millions. Now Evolution has stated that dinosaurs died out 70 million years ago. Well then we have the new soft tissue problem. It was not the Christians who had to change their belief, it was the believers in Evolution who were forced to change their theory again. They use to say soft tissue would never be found in dinosaur bones because soft tissue only could last 10,000 years. Now they tell us it can last 70 million years. (What a joke.) There is getting to be so many things that fly in the face of Evolution today, that believers in it almost need to take an obstacle course. Take the discovery at El Toro Mountain in Mexico. In 1944 Waldemar Julsrud who was also the co-discoverer of the Chupicauro culture site. Was ridding his horse when he spotted a partially exposed hewn stone and ceramic objects half buried in the dirt. As it turned out, and after much time thousands of ceramic objects were discovered. This would of been one of the great discoveries of the 20th century. However the problem was, many of these ancient ceramic objects were of dinosaurs. And some of them were of dinosaurs that science had not yet discovered. So science did what it does best when their theory is at risk. They ignored the discovery. Now this is not an isolated event, there is other evidence that refutes the thinking of todays science. Yet this evidence just like what was found at El Toro Mountain is ignored as well. I will post the link below, hope it works for you.

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I don't have a problem with real science, yet the Bible tells us beware of science falsly so called. And this is were Evolution comes into the picture. As far as the Bible goes, there are a number of things spoken of in the Bible that agrees with science, and infact there are things stated before science knew about them. The Bible is not a science Book, yet its truth should guide us to agree with real science. We Christians believe that dinosaurs lived just thousands of years ago, not millions. Now Evolution has stated that dinosaurs died out 70 million years ago. Well then we have the new soft tissue problem. It was not the Christians who had to change their belief, it was the believers in Evolution who were forced to change their theory again. They use to say soft tissue would never be found in dinosaur bones because soft tissue only could last 10,000 years. Now they tell us it can last 70 million years. (What a joke.) There is getting to be so many things that fly in the face of Evolution today, that believers in it almost need to take an obstacle course. Take the discovery at El Toro Mountain in Mexico. In 1944 Waldemar Julsrud who was also the co-discoverer of the Chupicauro culture site. Was ridding his horse when he spotted a partially exposed hewn stone and ceramic objects half buried in the dirt. As it turned out, and after much time thousands of ceramic objects were discovered. This would of been one of the great discoveries of the 20th century. However the problem was, many of these ancient ceramic objects were of dinosaurs. And some of them were of dinosaurs that science had not yet discovered. So science did what it does best when their theory is at risk. They ignored the discovery. Now this is not an isolated event, there is other evidence that refutes the thinking of todays science. Yet this evidence just like what was found at El Toro Mountain is ignored as well. I will post the link below, hope it works for you.

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So you pick and choose what is 'real science' and what isn't?

Question 1: When exactly did you Christians start believeing that dinosaurs lived just a thousad years ago? Until a few years ago, the fundamentalist christian belief was that DINASAURS DID NOT EXIST and that the fossils were put there by god to test our faith. When the evidence could no longer be denied, then we had this paradigm shift from the side of the fundamenalist christians to factor for all those kids who are totally fascinated by dinosaurs. Your bunch Sir, are little more than con artists.

also not a valid source, this site talks of conjecture, the only evidence i saw at all was of the chariot axle in the water without any sources cited at all....

the chariot axle doesn't really prove that chariots crossed the red sea....infact it is entirely possible that a ship containing chariots or chariot parts may have crashed dumping the axle into the water!

if this is the best evidence you can provide then consider this argument over!

http://www.conflictingviews.com/t1366-7/

God did not work with in the physical laws when he raised Christ from the dead after three days. I don't know of any normal physical laws that could be called on to regenerate a body after three days. And this example is not just my personal opinion.

The pharaoh did not drown, his army did. And there is extra Biblical writings written in stone around where they are finding the coral incrusted army. In the Sinai they have found Sinaitic Inscriptions that read. "The wind blowing, the sea dividing into parts, they pass over" "The Hebrews flee through the sea; the sea is turned into dry land." "The waters permitted and dismissed to flow, burst rushing unawares upon the astonished men, congregated from quarters banded together to slay treacherously being lifted up with pride."
ect.

Not long ago, I saw a program by two researchers who found in Egypt a record of the plagues that came on egypt which matched the Biblical account, and there was carved in stone a picture of Egyptian chariots being covered with water. I would have to do a little more research to locate the source, but I recall the program, and I though it was very good. I did not agree with all that was stated, yet I did see the record of events that was recorded.

More than half your live over Mr.Campbell and this is all that you've learnt....

Well half of my life may be over, but I believe if you had the knowledge you would of been able to write more than one sentence in responce to my post.
If what I have posted was untrue, could you not of pointed that out. And if what I posted was true, asking me it that was all I learned in my life time really would of been a mute point. If that evidence given is verfied, then that means that many details the Bible describes would be true. At least on the story of the crossing of the Red Sea. And that is a story that non believers said never happened. Yet from evidence being gathered, it appears the events really did occure.

The bible may well have use as a historical document. It could very well refer to events that occured as does hstorical literature from all over the world. I will not dispute that point.

However, there is bound to be variance between the biblical story based around a histrical event and the event itself. That is natural.

When it comes to Evolution I do pick and choose, because I am finding far more evidence that supports the Biblical account, than the Theory of Evolution.

really!? you must not be looking very hard, there are vast amounts of evidence, how exactly do you explain the huge amounts of fossil evidence? It seems like you are rather ignoring evolution, you cannot find any proof agaisnt evolution yet there is much much much evidence for it, evolution is almost unanimously accpeted in the scientific realm!

When it comes to Evolution I do pick and choose, because I am finding far more evidence that supports the Biblical account, than the Theory of Evolution.

So you get to pick and choose what is real science, and the experts in the field, scientists, don't know what the hell they are talking about?

face the facts, You don't know more about science than scientists do!

That's really foolish to believe something that a human with unknown motivations tells you just because they went to school for a long time. "Being a scientist" doesn't mean squat.

So you get to pick and choose what is real science, and the experts in the field, scientists, don't know what the hell they are talking about?

face the facts, You don't know more about science than scientists do!

I am not saying scientists know everything nor am i saying they are infallible, but i will admit that they know more of the subject than I do, and i trust them for that reason. If you are unwilling to trust the experts who know more about a subject than you then perhaps you shouldn't believe in the existance of "dark matter" after all, being a scientist doesn't mean squat.