@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;54845 wrote: Islam is an invented religion, one tailor-made by an Arab to suit the Arabs. Sorry. I would commit suicide before converting to Islam. I refuse to saw off heads, chop off hands, gouge out eyes, or carve out tongues. I refuse to dump on women. I refuse to wear beard. I refuse to abuse animals, such as dogs and pigs. I refuse to refuse to use toilet paper. :thumbdown:
[QUOTE]Islam is an invented religion, one tailor-made by an Arab to suit the Arabs.[/QUOTE]
First- Out of the nearly 1.4 Billion Muslims in the world, only 16% are Arabs. Does this tell you something!
Second- As he's the final and last messenger, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had been sent to all mankind:
"We (Allah) have sent you (Muhammad) as a mercy for all nations" [Quran 21:107]
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "...All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action."
Third- Prophet Issa (Jesus) peace be upon him was sent only to the Jews, therefore, according to your same reasoning, You should never follow Jesus unless you're a 'JEW'!
{But He (Jesus) answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."} [Matthew 15:24]
[QUOTE]Sorry. I would commit suicide before converting to Islam.[/QUOTE]
Should I remind you that you are worshiping the most famous suicidal figure in history, the biblical Jesus , as you claim!
[QUOTE]I refuse to saw off heads, chop off hands, gouge out eyes, or carve out tongues.[/QUOTE]
Islam teaches this:
"On that account: We (Allah) ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land." [The Noble Quran, 5:32]
But we find it to be absolutely ridiculous that the bible feeds us all kinds of lies and contradictions about "Peace" & "love your enemy", and yet, we see mass slaughter of suckling infants and innocent boys, girls, unarmed men, women (old and young).
Jesus said : " But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and SLAY THEM BEFORE me. " ( LUKE 19:27)
Jesus said: "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to put a man against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A person's enemies will be the members of his own family. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. " (Matthew 10:34-36)
Jesus said:
[luk. 12:49]'I came to cast fire upon the earth, and would that it were already kindled.. Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division; for from henceforth in one house there will be five divided, three against two, and two against three. They will be divided, father against son, and son against father, mother against daughter, and daughter against her mother.'
Jesus said:
[luk. 14:26] if any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife, and children, and brothers and sisters yes and even his own life: he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 22:36 (Jesus tells his followers to "Purchase Swords")
And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.
John 2:15 (Jesus attacks people with a whip in the Temple)
And He made a scourge of cords, and drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen; and He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables;
When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to Him, "They have no wine." And Jesus said to her, "Woman, what does that have to do with us? My hour has not yet come." [John 2:3-4].
And His mother and brothers came to Him, and they were unable to get to Him because of the crowd. And it was reported to Him, "Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, wishing to see You." But He answered and said to them, "My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it." Luke 8:19-21
With respect to Luke 8:19-21 and John 2:4, no Muslim could ever believe that Prophet Jesus(as) treated his mother in this way, and as such must attribute this to further examples of fabrications found in the Bible.
[ Ez:9:6 ] "Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house."
[Numbers 31:17-18] "Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
[Samuel 15:3] “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass”
[Psalm 137:9] "O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock! (A praise for dashing little children against rocks as a form of revenge)"
(Isaiah:13:16)-(Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.)
[Isaiah 13:15-18]:
15 "Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is taken shall fall by the sword.
16 Their infants also shall be dashed in pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be rifled, and their wives ravished.
17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, who shall not regard silver, and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
18 And their bows shall dash the young men in pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children."
[Exo 32:27] "And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour."
Christians according to their pagan faith can not deny that Jesus was God of Moses & the Old Testament. Unless they deny that Jesus in Not the God of Moses anymore!!
Jesus said:
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"
[QUOTE]I refuse to dump on women.[/QUOTE]
Islam came to honor and protect women. Thats' why the rate of chrisitan westren women converting to Islam compare to converting men is in the rise (4 women/ 1 man)!
There is a great deal of good in some women: "O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may take away part of the dower [money given by the husband to the wife for the marriage contract] ye have given them, except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and God brings about through it a great deal of good. (The Noble Quran, 4:19)"
Men and women were created for each others, in order to live in peace, harmony and love with each others as husbands and wives: "And among God's signs is this: He created for you mates from amongst yourselves (males as mates for females and vice versa) that you might find tranquillity and peace in them. And he has put love and kindness among you. Herein surely are signs for those who reflect. (The Noble Quran, 30:21)"
Men can not harm their wives: "...Do not retain them (i.e., your wives) to harm them...(The Noble Quran, 2:231)"
"If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. (The Noble Quran, 4:128)"
Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri: "I went to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139)"
"He who is involved in bringing up daughters, and accords benevolent treatment towards them, they will be protection for him against Hell-Fire." (Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him)
Men can't have sex with their women during Menses, but they can sleep with them and touch them: "They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by God. For God loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean. (The Noble Quran, 2:222)"
Maimuna (the wife of the Holy Prophet) reported: "The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) contacted and embraced his wives over the waist-wrapper when they were menstruating. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Menstruation (Kitab Al-Haid), Book 003, Number 0579)"
Women have equal rights for them and against them: "..and for women are rights equal to the rights against them but men have a degree over them (in the context of divorce) in what is just. (The Noble Quran, 2:228)"
The birth of a female is not a biggest tragedy and the end of the world as it is in the Bible: "When news is brought to one of them, of (the birth of) a female (child), his face darkens, and he is filled with inward grief! With shame does he hide himself from his people, Because of the bad news He has had! Shall he retain it On (sufferance and) contempt, Or bury it in the dust? Ah! what an evil (choice) They decide on? (The Noble Quran, 16:58-59)" So considering the birth of females as a bad thing is evil by itself in the Noble Quran.
Also, the Prophet peace be upon him said: Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri: "The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If anyone cares for three daughters, disciplines them, marries them, and does good to them, he will go to Paradise. (Translation of Sunan abu Dawud, Book 41, General Behavior (Kitab Al-Adab), Number 5128)"
Women have the right for the highest education, unlike what some Muslim fanatics claim: Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ashari: "The Prophet said, 'He who has a slave-girl and teaches her good manners and improves her education and then manumits and marries her, will get a double reward; and any slave who observes Allah's right and his master's right will get a double reward.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Manumission of Slaves, Volume 3, Book 46, Number 723)"
"...Those truly fear God, among His Servants, who have knowledge: for God is Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving. (The Noble Quran, 35:28)"
Unsecured men do not represent Islam. I don't have to oppress my wife and keep her down in order for me to keep our marriage. No, I instead use Noble Verse 30:21 when dealing with my wife: "And among God's signs is this: He created for you mates from amongst yourselves (males as mates for females and vice versa) that you might find tranquillity and peace in them. And he has put love and kindness among you. Herein surely are signs for those who reflect. (The Noble Quran, 30:21)"
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "The best believers are the best in conduct, and the best of you are those who are best to their wives."
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste."
But in Judeo-Christianity, the woman is dishonored:
(1) To the woman (Eve) He (God) said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." [Genesis 3:16]
(2) Birth of any female is a loss: Ecclesiasticus 22:3 "....and the birth of ANY daughter is a loss" (From the New Jerusalem Bible. It's a Roman Catholics Bible)
(3) Fathers can sell their daughters as slave girls: Exodus 21:7-8 "And in case a man should sell his daughter as a slave girl, she will not go out in the way that the slave men go out. If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master so that he doesn't designate her as a concubine but causes her to be redeemed, he will not be entitled to sell her to a foreign people in his treacherously dealing with her."
(4) in Christianity: Woman is a daughter of falsehood,.(Saint John Damascene)
(5) in Christianity: Woman is a sentinel of Hell,.(Saint John Damascene)
(6) in Christianity: Woman is the enemy of peace; through her Adam lost paradise.(Saint John Damascene)
(7) in Christianity: Woman is the fountain of the arm of the Devil, her voice is the hissing of the serpent (St. Anthony)
(8) in Christianity: Woman has the poison of an asp, the malice of a dragon(St. Gregory).
(10) The "biblical" Jesus considers women as dirt that defiles men (since Jesus, the GOD, is the one who supposedly inspired the New Testament as Christians claim): Revelation 14:4 "Those are those (men) who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as first fruits to God and the Lamb."
"let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law, and if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for woman to speak in the church." [1 Corinthians 14:34-35]
[Ephesians 5:22-24]:
22. Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.
23. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savoir.
24. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
[QUOTE]I refuse to wear a beard.[/QUOTE]
I just want to remind you that Jesus (peace be upon him) had a beard! Also, 'The Beard Law' is stated in your own bible!
The Law about Wearing Beards
THE BEARD LAW
One of the many laws the Creator God gave to Israel that had to do with holiness was the law requiring men to wear beards.
To All Adult Israelite Males
"You shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shall you mar the corners of your beard"
(Lev.19:27 KJV)
The word corners is noted in the instructions for both the head and beard. So perhaps, understanding the instruction concerning the hair on the head would help us to further understand the instruction concerning the beard.
[QUOTE]I refuse to abuse animals, such as dogs and pigs.[/QUOTE]
We do not abuse them! Muslims are ordered not to abuse animals. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) mercy and compassion was so deep that animals, even plants would benefit from His existence as their guardian. One day, He told his companion the story of two women: " A prostitute was guided by God's truth and ultimately went to paradise because she gave water to a dog dying of thirst in the desert" (Bukhari, "Anbiya'," 54; Muslim, "Salam," 153). And for the other women, Allah's Apostle said, "A woman was tortured and was put in Hell because of a cat which she had kept locked till it died of hunger." Allah's Apostle further said, (Allah knows better) Allah said (to the woman), 'You neither fed it nor watered when you locked it up, nor did you set it free to eat the insects of the earth." Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 40, Number 553
Another day, on the way to return home from a battle, Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud:
We were with the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) during a journey. He went to ease himself. We saw a bird with her two young ones and we captured her young ones. The bird came and began to spread its wings. The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) came and said: Who grieved this for its young ones? Return its young ones to it. He also saw an ant village that we had burnt. He asked: Who has burnt this? We replied: We. He said: It is not proper to punish with fire except the Lord of fire.
Narrated AbdurRahman ibn Uthman:
When a physician consulted the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) about putting frogs in medicine, he forbade him to kill them.
Ibni Abbas narrates: We were on our way with Prophet Muhammad when we saw a man who tied his sheep up to slaughter it. Yet, he was sharpening his knife in front of the animal. Prophet Muhammad scolded the man: Do you want to kill him plenty of times? (Mustadrak,, 4/231, 233)
(In Islam tradition, there are rigid procedures for slaughtering, mostly for the aim of hygiene and not to cause any pain to animal. First, an animal can only be slaughtered by God’s permission And for only His sake, that is, by reciting God’s names during the slaughter meaning we are His servants and not real owners or decision makers above anything, People first help the animal lay down in dignity with gently fondling it. A very sharp, plain edge knife is used to cut through throat in one second while the eyes of animal closed with a cloth in advance, so that he will not suffer from any psychological and physiological pain. The blood is completely drained from the main vessel to prevent any deterioration and microbes caused by dirty and old blood.
[QUOTE]I refuse to refuse to use toilet paper.[/QUOTE]
Muslims use water to clean and keep themselves pure. The personal body hygiene is an important daily practice in any muslim life as he performs prayers five times a day.