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Deliver Us From Evil - Another Jewish attack on Christianity

 
 
chuckc cv
 
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Sun 29 Apr, 2007 08:30 pm
@z0z0,
First, the definition of condone I use comes from the Hutchinson Encyclopaedia.

"This means to overlook or forgive bad behaviour, or to treat it as unimportant; example a woman is said to condone her husband's adultery if she continues to live with him as his wife although she knows what is going on."

Based on this defintion of condone, yes, the Catholic Church condoned the priests behavior.

I am not saying they told the priests it was okay or to "go for it".

I do not judge the accused priests. I have no right to judge them. And as I stated before agree with your answer of who can judge, "God and history".

I consider myself an imperfect human being.

Let's look at it this way. Who has the power and authority? I would say the priests as leaders in the church had that power, and they abused that power by exploiting the children.

The RCC church had the power and authority. My main complaint is they steadfastly denied the accustaions when they were first known. There is documented proof, the Church knew and reassigned the priests to parishes where they were still in a position to continue their behavior.

Reassigning is great, but how about a different ministry, where no children are involved?

The denial is what bothers me most. Doesn't Christianity support, admitting your sins and asking for forgiveness? I would say the RCC did not do this.

Regarding the Holocaust. America did not have the sole authority to stop the Holocaust and as I stated before, I believe their mission with our allies was to the win the war. By winning the war and defeating Nazi Germany we eventually did stop the Holocaust.

What does the RCC have in place to stop priests from committing pedophilia? Have they addressed the basic, human sexual needs of the Church?

I would support priest's being able to be married. Do you know how long the Catholic Church had mandated celebacy and do you know why?

I would argue the RCC wanted priests to be celebate so they would have no heirs and all personal property would belong to the Church.

Would you have confidence in a single, celebate marriage counselor? Can they really know the the real human issues of marriage?

Just some questions to ponder or answer. Sorry if my answer in longwinded. i try to be thorough.
chuckc cv
 
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Sun 29 Apr, 2007 08:37 pm
@z0z0,
I can forgive the RCC and the priests, but the hypocrisy bother me.
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chuckc cv
 
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Sun 29 Apr, 2007 10:52 pm
@z0z0,
"Yeah....come to think of it, I suspect there might be a bit of prejudice in your thinking toward Catholicism. Did you know there were Protestant ministers outted by this scandal, as well? How does that affect your judgment of Protestantism?"

No. No prejudice toward the Catholic Church. I did not write the word prejudice. That is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it.

I was unaware of the Protestant ministers outted as by the same scandal. Thank you for educating me. I do not judge "Protestantism". And by prostestantism, I assume you mean other Christian faiths seperate from Catholicism.

Again, I agree with you in your previous post answering my question, "who can judge?" God and history.

One overall comment regarding the tone of my postings: I do not wish to offend, my want is to understand.
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chuckc cv
 
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Sun 29 Apr, 2007 11:03 pm
@z0z0,
I did not mean all priests, but all accused priests.

The protesting against these decorations only scratches the surface. I'm also talking about the Da Vinci Code and the Lost Tomb of Jesus, both, i believe, around Easter.

And the scandals I mention are those in which some bishops avoided responsibility by relocating priests, which are overcovered by the media. There are relatively few of those scandals among scandals

Thank you for clarifying your position.
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z0z0
 
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Mon 30 Apr, 2007 06:09 am
@chuckc cv,
Jewsish Attitudes towards Gentiles

Attitudes Toward Intermarriage
MyJewishLearning.com - History & Community: Intermarriage
84 percent of the Orthodox Jews surveyed said they would be pained if their child intermarried, compared to 57 percent of Conservative Jews, 27 percent of Reform Jews and 19 percent of those who said they are "just Jewish."
(Comment: What is so bad about marrying non-Jews? Why is this even discussed today?)


Some would call the Talmud a "Jewish-Supremacist Doctrine".

Why is the Talmus important? Herman Wouk, the very popular Jewish writer,1 illustrates the influence of the Talmud as follows:

[INDENT] The Talmud is to this day the circulating heart's blood of the Jewish religion. Whatever laws, customs, or ceremonies we observe - whether we are orthodox, Conservative, Reform or merely spasmodic sentimentalists - we follow the Talmud. It is our common law.2[/INDENT]

Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of 3,000 Years
Jew Watch - Jewish Genocidal Murders of Others - Hatred of Gentiles by Israel Shahak, Jewish History, Jewish Religion
When the Roman historian Tacitus pointed out 19 centuries ago that the Jews are unique among the races of man in their intense hatred and contempt for all races but their own, he was only repeating what many other scholars had discovered before him. For the next 1,900 years other investigators came to similar conclusions, either from a study of the Jews' religious writings or from a study of the Jews' behavior toward non-Jews.

Some highlights

  • "The best among Gentiles deserves to be killed."
  • Jews may use lies ('subterfuges') to circumvent a [Gentile]. (Baba Kamma 113a.)
  • Moed Kattan 17a: If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
  • Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile the wages owed him for work.
  • Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned.
  • Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile, there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.
  • Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."
  • Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.
  • Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.
  • Rabbi Yaacov Perrin said, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).
  • Jesus was born a bastard and his mother, Mary, was a harlot (Mishna Yebamoth 4,13); that Jesus practiced black arts of magic (Sanhedrin 1076), and that Jesus is now suffering eternal punishment in a boiling vat of filthy excrement (Mishna Sanhedrin X, 2).
  • The famous Jewish rabbi, Maimonides, acclaimed by Christian apologists and defenders of Zionism as "a great man of God," encouraged Jews to kill all Christians. In the Talmud (Hilkoth Akrum, X, 1), Maimonides says, "Do not have pity for them. Show no mercy unto them. Therefore, if you see one in difficulty of drowning, do not go to his help... it is right to kill him by your own hand by shoving him into a well or in some other way."


The funniest thing from the Talmud that show the arrogance of the rabbis = "Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate."

Read this

No "hate" is allowed in Canada--except by Jews!
Jewish Oral Laws
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chuckc cv
 
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Mon 30 Apr, 2007 08:52 am
@z0z0,
"84 percent of the Orthodox Jews surveyed said they would be pained if their child intermarried, compared to 57 percent of Conservative Jews, 27 percent of Reform Jews and 19 percent of those who said they are "just Jewish."
(Comment: What is so bad about marrying non-Jews? Why is this even discussed today?)

I do not think it is bad to marry a non-Jew. In a more general sense, I do not think it is bad to marry anyone of another religious faith. I believe this is discussed today because of the overwhelming need to identify people by their religious faith.

It would be interesting to see the percentages if asked by Catholics.
Hypothetically, if this question were posed to Catholics, would the stats be similiar? I cannot answer for sure. Would like some Catholic opinion on this.

It is my understanding that if you are Catholic and you want to be married in the Catholic Church and your chosen to-be spouse is not Catholic, that said spouse to-be must convert to Catholicism. It is my understanding that if you replace Jewish for Catholic is the same sentence, my statement would also be true.

"No "hate" is allowed in Canada--except by Jews!
Jewish Oral Laws"

To consider this article, I must first consider the web site's positions.

"The American Nationalist Union is unabashedly pro-American in outlook. Our monthly newspaper, The Nationalist Times, promotes a common sense, intelligent and passionate alternative to the reigning ideological orthodoxy.
America badly needs a united bloc of voters who will vote for those candidates who stand for nationalist principles. It's time to end the fracturing of America's dispossessed majority into hundreds of splinter groups. A united bloc of nationalist Americans can elect a government which will serve the great Middle American core which built America and which still sustains it, but which finds itself today without political representation."

Not really sure what their position is because I do not understand their meaning of "nationalist Americans".

Nor do i understand their definition of "great Middle American core which built America". What is "great Middle American core" and what does is meant by "built America". Does this mean physically built America? Or metaphorically?

I would love some clarity from a member of The American Nationalist Union.
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z0z0
 
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Mon 30 Apr, 2007 09:29 am
@chuckc cv,
Sure - take the conversation into another direction.

As for "Marrying non-Jews" - it is very apparent that this IS a big issue in the Jewish community since they do the survey every year and they still talk about it.

This follows closely to the issues of "Ultra Tight Knit Community" and "Superiority Complex" by being God's ONLY Chosen people.

As for Catholics - this discussion is not really going on any longer.
chuckc cv
 
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Mon 30 Apr, 2007 09:36 am
@z0z0,
z0z0;14181 wrote:
Sure - take the conversation into another direction.

As for "Marrying non-Jews" - it is very apparent that this IS a big issue in the Jewish community since they do the survey every year and they still talk about it.

This follows closely to the issues of "Ultra Tight Knit Community" and "Superiority Complex" by being God's ONLY Chosen people.

As for Catholics - this discussion is not really going on any longer.


Could it be that the jewish community relies on stats from their members to formulate opinion and policy?

i would argue Christianity has the same world view and suffers from the same "superiority complex".

Okay maybe it is not discussed. However because it is not discussed could I therefore assume they have changed their policy? Does the Catholic Church now allow its members to marry people of different faith in the Catholic Church? And I would pose this question, why is it not discussed among Catholics?
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z0z0
 
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Mon 30 Apr, 2007 09:57 am
@chuckc cv,
A Catholic Church wedding is a "Holy Sacrement" and non Catholics do not receive the Sacrements.

If a Catholic wants to marry a non-Catholic then they are free to do so. There is no social stigma attached to it and that is why more and more Catholics are doing this - and ironically the Church in a decline.

What kind of opinion or policy needs to be set?

Unless of course secularism is good for Catholics (and therefore you help promote) but Religious Judaic Cohesion is a Good Thing.
chuckc cv
 
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Mon 30 Apr, 2007 10:13 am
@z0z0,
z0z0;14184 wrote:
A Catholic Church wedding is a "Holy Sacrement" and non Catholics do not receive the Sacrements.

If a Catholic wants to marry a non-Catholic then they are free to do so. There is no social stigma attached to it and that is why more and more Catholics are doing this - and ironically the Church in a decline.

What kind of opinion or policy needs to be set?

Unless of course secularism is good for Catholics (and therefore you help promote) but Religious Judaic Cohesion is a Good Thing.


I can understand the Catholic Church's position in your first statment.

Yes Catholics can, but they cannot get married in the Catholic Church in a Catholic ceremony if that person is not Catholic.

I do not see the the irony in declining Catholic membership attributed to marrying someone who is not a member of the Catholic Church. Please clarify.

I think secularism and religion are completely different. I support secularism regarding America's legal system, I think that position may be beneficial to some Catholics. Please clarify....How exactly is Religious judaic Cohesion a Good Thing?

Just a reminder on the spirit of my posts: Not meant to offend, but rather trying to understand.
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JoshuaRay
 
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Thu 28 Jul, 2022 03:50 pm
@z0z0,
It happens everywhere. But it’s caused by men that think they’re superior to other people, Godly. If any person saw themselves as human they’d respect what’s human in someone else. And that Godly mindset trickles down from all the religions into all the societies.
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bulmabriefs144
 
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Thu 28 Jul, 2022 04:33 pm
@z0z0,
It's a national pastime to pick on Christians. To call them haters and racists. Because people have an idea in their head of some hypocritical asshole they met coming from church who was a prick to them. Or someone who told them that they are immoral for something they're doing.

Yes, I understand. But these people need to understand something.
"The church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum of saints."

Yes, this is a very cute saying, but it's true. The fact is, many of the people in the church are struggling with being better people. They have addictions, secrets, rages, shames, lusts, and all many of securities. Some of them put up a front (these are the hypocrites you meet), hoping that other people won't see. "Don't let them in, don't let them see..." as Elsa would say. But the best way to make friends within the church is to admit one's flaws. It is not where the saints can be on display. That would be a synagogue, apparently.

Quote:
1Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples: 2“The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy, burdensome loads and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

5All their deeds are done for men to see. They broaden their phylacteries and lengthen their tassels. 6They love the places of honor at banquets, the chief seats in the synagogues, 7the greetings in the marketplaces, and the title of ‘Rabbi’ by which they are addressed.


The church instead is to try to heal the sinners. Not to show everyone how moral you are.

No, priests shouldn't be molesting kids. But the congregation may have any number of sins. I found out from a friend that some of the people in church were involved in prostitution. As clients. The friend invited me over, but I bailed on that idea at the last second. The point being that you have no idea what happens within the walls of a church. It is a holy place not because no evil exists, but because evil is forgiven and paid for by suffering of Christ.
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