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Suicide & Religion

 
 
Lasombra
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 09:12 am
@lowflyn,
lowflyn wrote:
This is a difficult subject. But...God does say that taking your own life is a condmenable unforgivable sin and I believe ppl who do commit suicide aren't enjoying his splendors in heaven. I personally have 2 friends who killed themselves, at young ages, both while drunk.


Did King Saul go to Heaven?
tikala
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 09:58 am
@Lasombra,
Lasombra wrote:
Did King Saul go to Heaven?



Why? Did he commit suicide?
Lasombra
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 01:27 pm
@tikala,
tikala wrote:
Why? Did he commit suicide?



The Philistines launched a major invasion against Israel and it was a huge success. King Saul and his army were badly defeated. Saul's heir and David's best friend, Prince Jonathan, was killed, as were two other sons of Saul.

Hard pressed by Philistine soldiers, Saul was wounded, even though his army killed over 3000 Philistines. Unable to escape, and afraid of being captured and tortured by the enemy, Saul urged his armor-bearer to kill him. Afraid, he refused. So Saul fell on his own sword and died. Seeing this, his armor-bearer did the same. This double suicide was one of only five suicide events recorded in the Bible.

Seeing the battle lost and their king dead, the Israelites in the region abandoned their homes, which the Philistines then occupied.

The Philistine soldiers found Saul's body. In spite of Saul's failures and sins, he had done much to protect Israel, and his body was a great trophy to his enemies. They cut off his head and strung his body outside the city wall for all to see.

This was too much for the men of Jabesh, whom Saul had rescued many years ago from a horrible fate. They journeyed through the night and removed the headless bodies of Saul and his sons from the city wall. If they had been caught, they would certainly have been killed. They escaped to Jabesh, however, cremated and buried them, and hosted a proper funeral.
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tikala
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 06:29 pm
@Brent cv,
So, still, suicide is a sin, as stated by LUWFLYN ?

Thus Saul is where Nixon is today?
Lasombra
 
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Reply Mon 17 Apr, 2006 06:58 pm
@tikala,
tikala wrote:
So, still, suicide is a sin, as stated by LUWFLYN ?

Thus Saul is where Nixon is today?



Since Quakers believe in Heaven, and Jews don't (atleast not the same Heaven), I'd say no.
tikala
 
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Reply Tue 18 Apr, 2006 01:30 pm
@Lasombra,
Lasombra wrote:
Since Quakers believe in Heaven, and Jews don't (atleast not the same Heaven), I'd say no.



Which heaven are reserved for the Jews? The one with with the 35 virgins?

I guess Saul will have his pants full, mama mia!
Lasombra
 
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Reply Wed 19 Apr, 2006 04:06 pm
@tikala,
tikala wrote:
Which heaven are reserved for the Jews? The one with with the 35 virgins?

I guess Saul will have his pants full, mama mia!



Jewish mystics believe in 7 different versions of Heaven, I am not aware of any of them filled with 35 virgins.


I believe you're confused with the RoPMA.
tikala
 
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Reply Wed 19 Apr, 2006 05:38 pm
@Lasombra,
Lasombra wrote:
Jewish mystics believe in 7 different versions of Heaven, I am not aware of any of them filled with 35 virgins.


I believe you're confused with the RoPMA.


In your previous post you stated that Jews do not believe in heaven.

But they believe in 7 different versions of Heaven?

Please fill me in.

BTW what is RoPMA ?
Lasombra
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 12:00 pm
@tikala,
tikala wrote:
In your previous post you stated that Jews do not believe in heaven.

But they believe in 7 different versions of Heaven?

Please fill me in.


Easy, go back and read my post in its entirety
Quote:
BTW what is RoPMA ?


RoPMA = Religion of Peace? My Ass.

It's what I call Islam.
Lasombra
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 12:03 pm
@tikala,
tikala wrote:
Thus Saul is where Nixon is today?


Okay, I'll bite....


Where (other than underground) is Nixon?
-this should be fun.
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tikala
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 06:59 pm
@Lasombra,
Lasombra wrote:
Easy, go back and read my post in its entirety


RoPMA = Religion of Peace? My Ass.

It's what I call Islam.


There are 3 other religions beside Islam. Are they religions of peace?
What do you mean by "peace"
ndjs
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 07:05 pm
@Brent cv,
^ there are a lot more than 3 religions...
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NaterG
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 08:26 pm
@Brent cv,
I wonder how Scientologists feel about suicide?? Whackos all of em.
ndjs
 
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Reply Thu 20 Apr, 2006 11:18 pm
@Brent cv,
^ I don't have enough money to donate to find out.
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Lasombra
 
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Reply Fri 21 Apr, 2006 09:43 am
@NaterG,
NaterG wrote:
I wonder how Scientologists feel about suicide?? Whackos all of em.



Don't get me started on Scientologists.......:thumbdown:

I live just north of their version of "Mecca" here in Florida.
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Lasombra
 
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Reply Fri 21 Apr, 2006 09:44 am
@tikala,
tikala wrote:
There are 3 other religions beside Islam. Are they religions of peace?
What do you mean by "peace"



Why don't you start a new thread if you want to discuss this with me, instead of jacking this one?
tikala
 
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Reply Fri 21 Apr, 2006 03:49 pm
@Lasombra,
Lasombra wrote:
Why don't you start a new thread if you want to discuss this with me, instead of jacking this one?



Okay.

You stated that Islam is NOT a religion of peace.

There are 3 other major religions beside Islam...in "major" I mean in numbers.

Those 3 "major" religions are Christianity - more than 2billion, Hinduism - 900million, Buddhism - 360 million. (I got those numbers via internet)

Question 1. Are all of those religions "religions of peace" ?

Question 2. If not all, which religion fits your label "peace" ?


Nonreligious/Atheists/Agnostics - 850million.

Question 3. Is this group definitely not "peaceful"?

I hope that I'm "not jacking" ?
Lasombra
 
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Reply Fri 21 Apr, 2006 04:53 pm
@tikala,
tikala wrote:
Okay.

You stated that Islam is NOT a religion of peace.

There are 3 other major religions beside Islam...in "major" I mean in numbers.

Those 3 "major" religions are Christianity - more than 2billion, Hinduism - 900million, Buddhism - 360 million. (I got those numbers via internet)

Question 1. Are all of those religions "religions of peace" ?

Question 2. If not all, which religion fits your label "peace" ?


Nonreligious/Atheists/Agnostics - 850million.

Question 3. Is this group definitely not "peaceful"?

I hope that I'm "not jacking" ?



What does any of that have to do with suicide?
tikala
 
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Reply Fri 21 Apr, 2006 06:05 pm
@Lasombra,
>>What does any of that....<<

My previous post to you: >There are 3 other religions beside Islam. Are they religions of peace? What do you mean by "peace"?<

You replied: "Why don't you start a new thread if you want to discuss this with me, instead of jacking this one."

Well, I just give you my NEW THREAD. I just follow up on your epistle regarding "religion of peace" My Ass or RoPMA.

Why, having a change of heart in discussing "your own thread: RoPMA" with me?

BRENT, our administrator urges: "Enjoy Conflicting Views"

Allez y mon ami, it's just a discussion?
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ndjs
 
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Reply Sat 22 Apr, 2006 08:57 am
@Brent cv,
Yeah, "BRENT, out administrator urges: 'Enjoy Conflicting Views'" but that doesn't give you free reign on the site to just hijack threads.

Enjoy conflicting views in appropriate topics.
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