@jeeprs,
manored;110652 wrote: The universe sucks sometimes. Well, at least be sure there is a nice, solid bondary between you and not-you, otherwise you wouldnt be thinking now =)
Isnt skipping logic leaving the realm of philosophy? =)
Yea.. I can't escape the lie. If I call unity the truth, I'm saying the truth is unknowable. Poetry and religion do a fair amount of "skipping logic," but remain intelligible. Skipping logic is part of human experience. Logic is always there waiting for us when we get back.
Reconstructo;110698 wrote: D. H. Lawrence tackles these contradictions in his Apocalypse (great great book!). Christ has strange parallels with Satan. Both rebelling against the Power and suffering for it. Do we not live between the poles of individualism and a sense that all are one, joined by a common love? It's the Satan-Christ continuum.
Two images come to mind: the Antichrist, and the Son of the Devil. Both were themes in the middle ages. Medieval stories of the Son of the Devil and fascinating explorations of the nature of individuality.
jeeprs;110702 wrote:Christ, by definition, is an outsider - 'not of this world' where 'world' is 'realm of existence'. Perhaps the attempt to domesticate Him is the source of much religious iniquity. It is different in India, because the idea of the Sanyasin is understood - 'one from the forest'. In Indian culture, the enlightened are recognised as outsiders, separate from the normal conventions, and the forest life and renunciation are understood.
The West doesn't have that.
The idea that if Christ returned, he would be persecuted again, and for the same reasons, is grimly true, I am afraid.
Yea.. Jesus would be an example of "one from the desert." In the Israelite perspective, the desert life was pure and closer to God. I think the archetype of the holy person always involves being an outsider. From that position, the holy person can serve the role of spiritual guide.
A Russian version of it is the holy fool.