Logical explanation: why a god must exist

Well said!!!

ok, lets assume(incorrectly) that God exists and that he (I purposely did not capitalize) created the universe, under your own logic, he must have been created by someone else, so I ask you, who created God?

Now,that's a load of horse --

But if god were to create time he could have simply been forever because he would have been before time was created

Your logic is flawed, my friend, because you said that god has no beginning and has no end. That, alone, is no reason to believe that a god exists.

Energy, by nature, cannot be created nor destroyed. Therefore it is beginningless and endless. So there are other possibilities when it comes to the creation of the universe.

NO, the nature of energy is ____ but where does it get its nature. You give godlike qualties to energy. is is self-existent?

Of course although this thread has been dormant a long time, ill wade in.
If we are going to use the nature of energy to establish it as infinite, you must also realise that the laws of thermodynamics would have rendered this energy almost entirely impotent by now. Energy has always been observed as being recycled into less useable forms of energy.
Anything that could cause energy to become more powerful, or forms of energy that maintain its usability after use would counteract natural law. That cause, or that energy would be by definition, supernatural would it not?

If God is forever, you have to resolve that reality with the idea of reason; how is it fair that God judges if God knows the future?

A valid question Thom, though I'm not sure I buy into the prerequisites.

Why would a God who "knows the future" change his mind as with the Ninevites? Perhaps God can be surprised. Perhaps he sees probable futures based on calculations, perhaps the future is fluid, rather than static.

Ifs and perhaps all round

A contradiction to be sure.

There are many complications with the concepts of omniscience and omnipotence that work out as apparent contradictions. That is why I am reluctant to buy into them. Anything that isn't explicit in scripture (subjectively) I place into the speculation and philosophy drawer. I am merely surprised when some accept them as fact without question

Me too! All this mumbo jumbo is based on faith, and it doesn't matter which god we're talking about. I've visited India several times, and see them praying at the temples with great emotion. They move back and forth while praying.

As I've said before, all my siblings are christians. When as a young teenager, I saw the many contradictions of the religion, I just couldn't make myself believe in the christian god. I've remained an atheist as a result.
I like buddhism for the fact that it teaches the self to improve.

I think that after I posted something 40 or so times I would get tired.

But that has the fallacy of thinking that to know something is to cause it.

My dog sees a treat and I know he will eat it but I do not cause it. Quite the opposite.

The idea that a god has existed forever is something I really want some answers to. On the idea that god created something from nothing, I think it's the only way it could have been. If god is infallible he couldn't be everything also because humans exist. If he was actually a solid being I think he would be defiled. I thought there might be a limit on how fast a god could create everything because he's limited by solid matter. For instance, if he were to try to make events happen faster it would cause people to go flying through the air. But since it was possible to have a zero gravity universe during creation I guess he could have added the atmosphere to work in a protected environment. But I'm sure the perfect god would have patience. The universe was probably created from nothing by an all powerful spirit who used dust, water, air, fire to form everything in an instant. Actually, if gravity was increased and matter could be held in one place it seems more could be achieved.

You need to start from the beginning of how gods were created by men in almost every culture around this planet. That's the reason why so many gods exists today. If you study the oldest cultures and their gods, you can begin to understand that most were mythological. Even the idea of virgin birth were mythology long before "Jesus" came upon the scene of religions.
No god exists; it's only in the minds of people who wish to believe there is a god. It's in the human DNA to want to believe in a god. Many gods were created. The christian god is a late comer by thousands of years. Once you divorce your brain from the "god need," all you need to live by is "treat all living things with love, respect and dignity." No sermons are needed. It's a simple rule. We've all seen animals save other animals of a different species from death. That's what life is all about. It's called love of life.

Good post, CI.

I mentioned this before, but I'll say it again. All my siblings are Christians, and I'm an atheist. The Bible has too many errors, omissions and contradictions for me to wrap my brain around. In other words, it's not logical.