cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2004 05:05 pm
I understand you completely. Wink
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2004 05:17 pm
I understood what you meant, Francis. And no, the photo is not from Izmir.

Anyway, sorry for the delay but by ways of a tip, here's an excerpt from Robert Kaplan's 1996 The Ends of the Earth:

Quote:

____, for example, [..] was architecturally a Kurdish city, and thus an affront to the false, unicultural facade of Ataturk's Turkey. The narrow streets fed into the last great bazaar in Turkey that had not evolved into a modern shopping mall - complete with cobblers, gunsmiths, tailors, spice dealers and tobacco merchants. Huge heaps of cured tobacco stood near stalls where warlike knives were being sharpened. Tumbledown courtyards were filled with men in tradictional clothing at old tables sipping tea, as though Ataturk's revolution against Moslem dress had never happened. The dust and the exhaust from motorized bikes thickened the air. Instead of hand-woven carpets and kilims for tourists with money to spare, this bazaar sold only machine-made items for village people. In physical appearance, ___ was like an Arab bazaar but with a spontaneity missing from the Arab souks of Syria and Iraq.


Hmm - almost relevant for the current EU thread ;-)
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2004 08:00 pm
Hm, I thought it an interesting hint, but perhaps not sufficient?

Here's another one: the city is not far from Turkey's borders ...
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satt fs
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2004 08:28 pm
Adana, Turkey
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2004 09:02 pm
Nope, but getting closer ...

As suggested in the quote above, it's practically Kurdistan, but not quite; and the reference to Ataturk in the quote was not purely historical-theoretical, but also the lead-in to the author's next stop, a next sight, close by, to see and ponder.

Going to bed now, see if that's enough for it to be guessed by the time I get up! If not, I'll give the secret away ...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 18 Dec, 2004 09:15 pm
No! Don't give up the secret just yet. Let us beg a little. Wink
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2004 04:44 am
I think it is "Hasan Pasa caravanserai" in Diyarbakir.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2004 09:31 am
Hello, and goodafternoon!

Well, noone guessed it, but I'm going to give it to Frances because he got closest.

I was actually trying to prevent people from going for Diyarbakir by saying that it was "practically Kurdistan, but not quite" - Diyarbakir being pretty much the capital city of Turkish Kurdistan - but hell, it's just 100 miles off, which ain't much, in Turkey.

It was actually the city of Urfa, or, as its listed in my atlas, Sanliurfa.

I know nothing of it except for the excerpt I quoted and the picture I posted, and that's enough for me to be resolved to one day going there ... if by then, its not already changed too much. It sounds and looks like a children's medieval adventure book ...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2004 09:52 am
Thanks, nimh - as an side effect, by searching this place, I got some more knowledge of what is now Turkey. :wink:

Quote:
Sanliurfa, formerly Urfa, or Edessa, Arabic Ar-ruha, city, southeastern Turkey. It lies in a fertile plain and is ringed by limestone hills on three sides. The city is very old and controls a strategic pass to the south through which runs a road used since antiquity to travel between Anatolia and northern Mesopotamia. The modern name derives from the early Aramaic name, Urhai, which was changed to Edessa when the town was refounded as a military settlement in the 3rd century BC. Freeing itself from imposed Hellenism, Edessa, as capital of the principality of Osroëne, was a major centre of Syrian culture; it figured prominently in the conflicts between Parthia and Rome.

Christianity reached Edessa about AD 150, and the city became the seat of what was soon the most important bishopric in Syria. A sizable body of early Christian literature in the Syriac language was produced at Edessa.

After having been captured by the Sasanid Persians on more than one occasion, Edessa was taken by the Arabs about 638. Thereafter it saw many changes of rule, including occupation by the crusaders in 1098, until it was annexed to the Ottoman Empire at some point between 1516 and 1637. It then remained Turkish, except for a short occupation by forces of the Ottoman governor of Egypt, Muhammad 'Ali Pasha, in the late 1830s.

The city's monuments include the ruins of an ancient citadel situated on one of the hills overlooking the town, part of the old city walls, flood-prevention works built in the 6th century by the Byzantine emperor Justinian, and the 17th-century madrasah (religious school) and mosque of 'Abd ar-Rahman. Modern Sanliurfa is a local market for the agricultural and livestock products of the surrounding region. The main exports are butter and wool. The city is linked by main roads with Gaziantep to the west, Mardin to the northeast, Adiyaman to the northwest, and northern Syria to the south. Pop. (1990) 276,528.

source: Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service.
<http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?tocId=9065538>
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2004 09:55 am
This was a very difficult one, even to find a picture.

You can see it here :Urfa bazaar entrance
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2004 10:11 am
Quite famous, and pictured in the Britannica:

http://www.billysroom.com/turkey/sanliurfa/l_pic_03.jpg

The vivarium, a pool of sacred fish, flanked by the 17th-century madrasah (theological school) of 'Abd ar-Rahman, Sanliurfa
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2004 10:24 am
Hmmm ... I woulda googled up Kaplan's name in combination with something from the quote.

For example, Google for Kaplan and "Kurdish city", and link #5 gets you an extensive description of the city of Sanliurfa or 'Glorious Urfa':

Quote:
Sanliurfa


The description goes on to mention what I had intended to be my second hint above; the Great Ataturk Dam nearby, "the fourth largest dam in the world."

Quote:
A third of the Euphrates River is redirected to Turkey's Harran Plateau. That's a third less water for Syria and Iraq further downstream. In his book "The Ends of the Earth", Robert Kaplan quotes the dam's manager. "Water is a weapon. We can stop the flow of water into Syria and Iraq for up to eight months without overflowing our dams, in order to regulate the Arabs' political behavior."

Construction of the dams and accompanying irrigation tunnels is ongoing. The GAP project (Guneydogu Anadolu Projesi) is an attempt by the state to address Kurdish complaints that government expenditures for services in the southeast have been far lower than in the rest of Turkey. The planned irrigation tunnels will be the largest in the world and will continue a trend that is radically altering the landscape of the region. The amount of arable land and corresponding crop yields will increase exponentially. New lakes will produce an abundance of hydroelectric power as well as tourism and fish raising."


Kaplan in his book actually spends several pages marvelling at the Dam and pondering its socio-cultural-political implications ... interesting, but too much to type over here.
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2004 10:25 am
I' going to give us a new one to find, but easier, I hope :


http://perso.wanadoo.fr/gismonda/images/pen.jpg
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2004 10:27 am
France?
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2004 10:30 am
No, not that easier!
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Don1
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2004 10:58 am
I've been there Very Happy Portugal
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2004 11:05 am
Yes Don!

I've been there too!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2004 12:04 pm
"Le Palácio Nacional de Sintra est l'unique survivant des palais royaux du Moyen Âge", and part of the World Heritage as well.
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2004 01:28 pm
Otherwise said : Palácio da Pena.

So Don or someone else, your turn.
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Don1
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2004 01:30 pm
Walter named it, must be Walters go.
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