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"for every event there is first a prophecy foreshadowing the event. an event first comes into existence when there is a prophecy."
who makes these prophecies?
"the prophecy will be fulfilled"
"but then its no longer a prophecy"
"everything is a prophecy history is not merely a collection of linear points scattered along a time line The individual points are connected on the continuum They are all connected along a common line. no, it is more accurate to say that they are made to connect to the line."
"by whom? who connects them."
a short dialogue (and likely the last i am going to use before moving onto original content) from "serial experiment lain"
I would how ever like the input of others. if you think about it, the first quote at least, seems to be correct everything is perceived as happening before it actual happens. for example, when entering your home, for example, when you turn the key in the front door your expecting (creating an immediate prophecy) that the key will turn in the lock and your house will be on the other side of the door. but what about bigger prophecies is it really possible for the collective whole to have that much influence on the physical world.

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@articwind4,

I am not sure that every even is perceived as happening before it actually happens. For example, I do not perceive myself cutting my steak with my knife each time I want to take a bite; so at least habits are actions which almost by definition do not fit. I am sure we can find many other kinds of examples.

And it seems equally difficult to argue that my pre-conception of an event actually CAUSES it to happen. I am at a casino, and preconceive the roulette wheel landing on black 17 (and so place my bet); if it does not stop there, then obviously my preconception was not the cause. I am out walking and I trip on a thick vine which I did not see; my tripping was completely independent and I was certainly not planning to trip. Again, we could come up with all sorts of kinds or types or examples.

Moreover, one would have to explain how a Mental event could cause a Physical event.

Turning the key may be explained not by "prophecy" but by our understanding of how keys and locks and doors work in practice. We expect certain chains of events to work because they do in fact work that way, and we have no reason to suppose they will not.

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@articwind4,

articwind4;69128 wrote:

if you think about it, the first quote at least, seems to be correct everything is perceived[/b] as happening before it actual happens. for example, when entering your home, for example, when you turn the key in the front door your expecting (creating an immediate prophecy) that the key will turn in the lock.

What is kind of funny (and this may depend a little on the range of meaning one is willing to attach to that word 'prophecy') is that some of the latest evidence from tests with patients undergoing open brain surgery shows that this is basically true. Of course it is also found, right along with the other finding, that it is not information that really reaches consciousness other than the sensation of the 'urge' to do that act in some cases, maybe, and not even that much in others, maybe.

At any rate, the 'prophesizing' is the planning and communication between brain areas which send info into the primary motor cortex to execute an act. Of course, that's nothing to do with religious belief-systems, so . . . the OP must be talking about something different; I guess?

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